Magazine’s Mandate Has a Hollow “Ring”

[fitzbitz]

The issue I still have with Oscar's "10-title" claim is that it's still included in press releases put out by Golden Boy, while at the same time the magazine they own is trying to redefine championship legitimacy. Just seems a little out of sync, that's all. But through no fault of the journalists.

Bottom line, I just think what they're doing is means to no end. Great, we have another entity claiming to recognize the most deserving fighters as champions. OK, terrific. That said, it's not something that you or I or 10 well-informed fans couldn't do, too. The point is, without the mechanism to create and enforce rules, it means nothing. It's just another title belt.

Maybe it's the one everyone's paying attention to now. Again, terrific. But if the scenarios I cited begin popping up and chasms start developing in the various divisions between the "champions" and the guys that everyone thinks they ought to be defending against, where's the entity that's going to make those fights happen? Is it Ring? In my opinion, no. And that's why, again in my opinion, we're eventually going to get right back to where we started from in terms of legitimate champions.

You have a system in place now. Are there too many bodies? Yes. Are most of the ratings they put out laughable? Yes. But those are things that can be addressed. Take the IBO's computer rankings - something I've railed about in the past - and make them the gold standard. And then go from there with a regulatory outfit, be it the IBO or whatever other is created. Regardless of what way you go, you need the structure. To me, Ring provides the nice "in a perfect world" idea, but has no teeth to back it up.

[Dave Rado]

The issue I still have with Oscar's "10-title" claim is that it's still included in press releases put out by Golden Boy, while at the same time the magazine they own is trying to redefine championship legitimacy. Just seems a little out of sync, that's all. But through no fault of the journalists.

They are out of synch, but that only emphasises the fact that The Ring is independent of Golden Boy, which is as it should be.

I don't know of any boxer who doesn't think the alphabet belts aren't worth winning. Even those who have ditched their belts waited until they were very big names before they did so - they used the alphabet belts to make themselves into big names first.

But in order for boxing to have an agreed world champion at a given weight - which boxing needs, or the term "world champion" is completely meaningless - you can't look to the alphabets, because there would have to be only one alphabet body for that to be possible, and it would have to be perfect, both in terms of having non-corrupt rankings, and in terms of not stripping people for bull**** reasons. So the alphabets are vital to the sport, but in terms of who is the true world champion at a given weight, The Ring's champions are far more meaningful in that context, and the more that is promoted as such the better for boxing, IMO.

Bottom line, I just think what they're doing is means to no end. Great, we have another entity claiming to recognize the most deserving fighters as champions. OK, terrific. That said, it's not something that you or I or 10 well-informed fans couldn't do, too.

But no one would take any notice if we did. We need one world champion at each weight, not millions.

To me, there are several belt holders at each weight, and as belt holders they all have legitimacy; but by definition there can only be one world champion. The Ring champion is the closest we have to that, IMO. I agree it's flawed, and must always be an adjunct to the alphabets and will never replace them, but it's still the most meaningful belt by far, and the closest thing we have in an imperfect world to a world champion.

Take the IBO's computer rankings - something I've railed about in the past - and make them the gold standard.

The IBO's rankings are generally good (although I'm not sure that they're any better than The Ring's), but their champions are not, several of them are ridiculous - and the IBO also has no mandatories, so they have the same problem as The Ring in terms of enforcing defences. And IMO the last thing we need is yet another alphabet group, we need fewer alphabets, not more, and we need the remaining ones to be reformed. In the meantime, as I say, I think The Ring's champions and ratings serves a very important function, not as an alternative to the alphabets, but as an adjunct.

[fitzbitz]

The thing the IBO ratings have going for them is that they are computerized, so there will never be even a whiff of impropriety or influence. Some claim the Ring ratings are influenced by Golden Boy. I don't make that claim, but it's been out there. As for their champions, yes, they're suspect in a lot of cases... but they're also the only body that recognizes Pacquiao at 140 and Dawson at 175. Not to mention Klitschko at heavy. So there are some good things going for them as well. I don't claim they're the perfect sanctioning body as things stand right now and that Grady Brewer, if he wins in August, is the best 154-pounder in the world, but, to me, their "system" is as good a one that exists today.

And, as for mandatories, they do "require" them according to the rules on their Web site - "During each successive TWELVE (12) month period after winning the Title, the Champion at the I.B.O.’s sole and absolute discretion may be required to defend his Title in a mandatory defense against the leading available contender as designated by the I.B.O. Notice shall be given to all promoters licensed by the I.B.O." - but I'm not sure they're of the status right now that they could threaten to strip Klitschko or another of their marquee champions by enforcing them.

Maybe someday, but not now.

Lastly, the De La Hoya "10-time" thing just bugs me. I understand they're separate en******, but they are still part of the same company. And, if we're supposed to take the Ring seriously as a championship legitimizer, then the boss of the company ought to be in line as well. Sure, in the grand scheme, maybe it means nothing. But it's hard for me to take a desire for credible status seriously when the guy signing the paychecks is still being lauded as something he's clearly not. If the magazine he owns wouldn't have recognized him as a "champion" in any of his six weight divisions, then maybe his communications department ought to tone it down a little.

[Dave Rado]

The thing the IBO ratings have going for them is that they are computerized, so there will never be even a whiff of impropriety or influence.

Computerised doesn't necessarily mean good, though. Cliff Rold's algorithm-based rankings for the greatest fighters at each weight of all time came in for a lot of criticism because people didn't like the algorithm. I agree that it makes it free of impropriety, but it has disadvantages too.

As for their champions, yes, they're suspect in a lot of cases... but they're also the only body that recognizes Pacquiao at 140 and Dawson at 175. Not to mention Klitschko at heavy.

To me, it doesn't matter how many good champions they have: as long as they have several totally ridiculous ones, such as Mundine at Middleweight, they will have no credibility for me. The Ring doesn't have any totally ridiculous champions, and as far as I know they never have had.

And, as for mandatories, they do "require" them according to the rules on their Web site - "During each successive TWELVE (12) month period after winning the Title, the Champion at the I.B.O.’s sole and absolute discretion may be required to defend his Title in a mandatory defense against the leading available contender as designated by the I.B.O. Notice shall be given to all promoters licensed by the I.B.O." - but I'm not sure they're of the status right now that they could threaten to strip Klitschko or another of their marquee champions by enforcing them.

Maybe someday, but not now.

Well unless they start to do so, I don't see them as any more credible than The Ring in that respect, and I think they're a lot less credible than The Ring in terms of gaining general public recognition of who the real champions are at each weight. And I think they have zero chance of ever putting the other alphabets out of business, and I don't think we need more alphabets, I think we need fewer of them.

Lastly, the De La Hoya "10-time" thing just bugs me. I understand they're separate en******, but they are still part of the same company.

If he disagrees with their absolutist stance regarding the alphabet belts (and I disagree with them on that too), then I don't see why he should necessarily toe their line just because his company owns them. In fact, I think it's healthy that they should disagree publicly, whenever they genuinely do disagree.

[OnePunch]

Good read. Obviously no system can be perfect. But still, I'll take the ****in Ring belt/champion over any of the alphabet ****. Lets hope wee don't get a Ring champ who abuses the privilege of non strippage and never defends his belt against the most deservin challengers.

you mean like Kelly Pavlik??

[thechamp0909]

Ring magazine

I understand the reason why Oscar de la Hoya and his promoting associates are trying to do this of establishing a new recognize boxing title, that is supposed to be recognized world wide is because they do not have good personal relations with the people that at this moment rules the sanctioning bodies of profesional boxing which the author of this article calls "alphabets".

The situation is similar as when Don King tried to take control of boxing during the 1980's when he use to give recognition only to the WBC and not so much recognition to the WBA which was the original professional boxing sanctioning body which broke apart.

Golden Boy,LLC which is the principal owner of Ring magazine are supported in their move by ESPN, HBO and at least for what this article says, boxing scene is their next supporter. I disagree with this idea because the promoters should make their bussiness but they should not care about boxing as a simple bussiness in which you need to have a monopoly. They should think that boxing is a combat sport that needs respect and that is world wide recognize sport.This boxing complain about which championship is better is what has let many countries to concentrate on amateur boxing and to just recognized boxing as a US show and not a sport.