There is a particular reason why floyd is so important to the sport of boxing

[kayjay]

It is about demography, BJ. Because there are as many good boxers today as twenty years ago. But they don't often come through the U.S. amateur system anymore.

[El Jesus]

Mr boat buyer has the talent to be a gr8 ambassador for boxing, but he won't make the most of it anymore. He did yrs back and was praised accordingly for it. Nowadays, it's easy $ or no fight, and he deserves to get criticized for it.

This topic is less about that and more just about him staying in the sport, what he did or didint do isnt much of a concern to me at this point.

[El Jesus]

It is about demography, BJ. Because there are as many good boxers today as twenty years ago. But they don't often come through the U.S. amateur system anymore.

why do you keep throwing this out there? i dont really care where they come from or if they are american or not, again, look at the list of names i stated and felt they were complete fighters, NONE OF THEM are american and i dont care if they are, look at my topic and stop diverting it to something its not.

[rican4life]

mayweather is a tremedous talent and boxing was still rocking but mayweather back make it exciting,

[Google_It_Bitch]

Yeah, The Winky's, Hopkins's and Floyd's are not very appreciated in this forum. Around here where I live, everyone loves Floyd, Toney, RJJ, Hopkins, Winky Etc. but then again everyone around here are age 25+ This forum has 25 year olds who don't even appreciate those guys and hate on them. Goes to show what age they really are.

I guess it is good to see teenagers such as yourself appreciating the sport. I forget that all of Floyd's fans are still struggling with puberty, once you guys get past the pimples, it's all down hill from there, now we just have to work on getting you kiddies laid once you hit 18 that is :lmfao:

[El Jesus]

I guess it is good to see teenagers such as yourself appreciating the sport. I forget that all of Floyd's fans are still struggling with puberty, once you guys get past the pimples, it's all down hill from there, now we just have to work on getting you kiddies laid once you hit 18 that is :lmfao:

please leave that out of this thread. there are 20 other threads on page one you can play these games, id appreciate it if you didint do it here.

[Ravishing]

I read countless threads, over the last few years i have been on here i have read thread after thread. I have seen so many fans come through here, as long as their fighter is active, theyll be here, and when that fighters hype dies down, they are gone. Different waves of fans come and go on here. Defending their fighter to the nth degree.

In particular though, with floyd mayweather, the only time i can think of when he was actually liked on here was after he beat the hell out of arturo gatti and before that, he was mostly thought of as a good fighter who was underrated. I didint imagine hed be the biggest fighter in the sport, or at least the most polarizing.

But there is something that has come to my attention, its something wmute and dirt e gomez mentioned more than a year ago. Who the hell is there to replace mayweather? Im being serious. Mayweather is one of the last fighters in boxing who represents the sport in its truest form. From defense to offense, mayweather has the total package. Guys like toney, hopkins, calderon etc are leaving the sport. It seems now more than ever, with our amatuer program in disarray, the dearth in pure boxers is becoming evident. Sure there is pacman, a once in a lifetime fighter, but more and more i am seeing guys who more or less fight like pac over the years, there will be another like him, maybe he wont be filipino, but theyll be another.

But more and more im looking around and im seeing very few fighters with the total package, lineares, donaire, juanma and a few others are all i can really think of that REALLY have it all.

Growing up there were guys like Whitaker, Tyson, Jones Jr, Ray Leonard, Vernon Forrest etc who had it all. It seems there are fewer and fewer as time goes on, and even as they come on, they dont get the support. Boxing, now more than ever, is about knockouts as opposed to the specticle of the sport, so more and more youths are likely throwing defense and fundamentals out the window.

Just last night i had to argue with another poster about how important the amatuer program is and that turning pro young and being successfull is VERY rare. If this is the mentality that people are taking with amatuers and how it prepares you for the pros, we are going to see less and less complete fighters in our sport. Granted that poster is obviously a newcomer to the sport and had little knowledge beyond pacman, its still something im seeing and dealing with more and more.

For alot of you, you could care less, you want knockouts, you want to spend more time on resumes and belts and weight classes etc, thats fine. But without mayweather the p4p list got thin as ****, even ring magazine admitted this, complete fighters are becoming less and less and less, this is why for me, mayweather is so important, i dont care if he stays undefeated or not, i just want him in the sport as long as he can sustain it, because the sport needs his influence and his technical brilliance, because when its gone, its gone.

The thing is though, history has shown that people love exciting fights, period. Guys like Leonard, Hagler, and Hearns had all the fundamentals...but their style of fighting is what made them stars. Even with Sugar Ray being more of the outspoken and more popular fighter in that era with endorsement deals, commercials, etc, he still was a very exciting fighter that people today would pay to see (if he fought in this era).

The thing with Floyd is he got his popularity ironically by forcing himself to being the bad guy and knew how to sell tickets. But in the ring, though he is a brilliant boxer, he does lack pizazz and excitement that makes people want to keep watching you fight.

The purists respect guys like Floyd, Winky, and Bernard heavily. But, the purists are a small percentage of what puts asses in seats. Of course you can't overlook guys like Bernard and Floyd for the way they fight and truthfully, they've had stellar careers. But in time, fighters like Manny Pacquiao will be the ones remembered the most when they play old clips or highlights of previous fights. It's not a diss to Floyd either, it just is what it is.

[kayjay]

I think there are plenty of defensive fighters. But the offensive guys will always be more popular.

Whitaker and Hopkins were less popular than Oscar and Roy. And rightfully so.

[Allucard]

Yes there's a reason: He's black, a loudmouth and undefeated. Any of these separate features would by itself make people want to see Floyd lose a fight, so you can only imagine the impact of three put together. Has any black fighter EVER retired and finished his career undefeated? No. What about letting a black guy, who also happens to be an huge trash talker retire undefeated? Ask the Merchants of this world what they think about it off camera They are not used to it, they are used to see all our greats have boxing retire them instead of them retire from boxing, they desire no changes to this. Once Floyd loses his 0 and i'm sure he will eventually as he gets older, you will see the Mayweather train completely derail, real fans disappointed how he failed to manage an extremely successful career after all he went tru, pretend fans grabbing on to whoever is undefeated at the time nuts. It's all good though, just don't ask me to like guys like Calzaghe or Marciano. Hope you understand.

[Kevin Jesus]

I guess it is good to see teenagers such as yourself appreciating the sport. I forget that all of Floyd's fans are still struggling with puberty, once you guys get past the pimples, it's all down hill from there, now we just have to work on getting you kiddies laid once you hit 18 that is :lmfao:

I'm not a teenager.
I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself.