Which Diaz has plummetted farther from the top of LW in your mind?

[Fox McCloud]

Julio and David have had a freefall from the greatness they held when they each held an ABC belt in 2007. Who is farther down in the division?

[DLT]

fall from greatness? The Diaz boys? Come on now, neither of these guys were ever great. They were just your every day solid champ with a belt but never anything special. No one ever put them on that level or anywhere near it. Infact, I dont feel like anyone thinks they have fallen. They just lost to guys who were clearly better then them and have always been better then them. Maybe not Reyes but again, Julio wasnt that special

[Silencers]

Julio, he was in a much higher position than David was, David got a lot of exposure for losing to Pacquiao as well and could secure some good paydays because of it, Julio on the other hand just got knocked out and doesn't really have many options right now.

[Fox McCloud]

fall from greatness? The Diaz boys? Come on now, neither of these guys were ever great. They were just your every day solid champ with a belt but never anything special. No one ever put them on that level or anywhere near it. Infact, I dont feel like anyone thinks they have fallen. They just lost to guys who were clearly better then them and have always been better then them. Maybe not Reyes but again, Julio wasnt that special

They have clearly fallen...

If someone told you that Julio or David Diaz was getting a lightweight title shot right now... wouldn't you either laugh or be pissed off that the million guys in front of them in the division were passed over in favor of them?

That shouldn't happen with someone who was a champion pretty recently.

[ACHlLLES]

If Hatton doesn't last as long as David Diaz did against Pacquiao. What does that say about david diaz then?

Probably that pacquiao has improved even more, or David Diaz gets unnecessary hate.

[J.B.moneY.]

david diaz is a b level fighter....nothing more....his biggest win was against a shot morales...and in a lot of people's minds morales won that fight

[brently1979]

david diaz is a b level fighter....nothing more....his biggest win was against a shot morales...and in a lot of people's minds morales won that fight

I think Morales did win that fight.

[Silencers]

I had Morales winning too.

[DLT]

They have clearly fallen...

If someone told you that Julio or David Diaz was getting a lightweight title shot right now... wouldn't you either laugh or be pissed off that the million guys in front of them in the division were passed over in favor of them?

That shouldn't happen with someone who was a champion pretty recently.

They werent champions, they were belt holders, e****aly David. Alot of people in different divisions have belts that werent that special of fighters. Its not like they beat an elite guy to get the belt. Thats my point. Someone like Ishe Smith could have a belt right now but that doesnt make him a great fighter. He just had an easier route in a divison that didnt have all elite champs at the time. Im not dissin either guy. I really like Julio. Im just saying that to me they havent fallen because they were never awesome to begin with, e****aly David. They were just belt holders. If it happened to Pac, JMM, or even guys like Juan Diaz then I would say they have fallen but not those 2

[Fox McCloud]

They werent champions, they were belt holders, e****aly David. Alot of people in different divisions have belts that werent that special of fighters. Its not like they beat an elite guy to get the belt. Thats my point. Someone like Ishe Smith could have a belt right now but that doesnt make him a great fighter. He just had an easier route in a divison that didnt have all elite champs at the time. Im not dissin either guy. I really like Julio. Im just saying that to me they havent fallen because they were never awesome to begin with, e****aly David. They were just belt holders. If it happened to Pac, JMM, or even guys like Juan Diaz then I would say they have fallen but not those 2

I wasn't trying to say they were great... greatness was a figure of speech used there... anyone who tries to claim these guys as actually great are out of their minds.

I'm just saying, they have really fallen from where they were 2 years ago... I mean, really, outside of Casamayor, Juan Diaz and those two... not a lot was going on at lightweight.

There would be a resounding LOL if Julio Diaz was still in the top 10 of The Ring's lightweight rankings at this point. David Diaz got a down home, Mississippi ass-whipping from Pacquiao too... that ******* from Mortal Kombat felt the need to yell about a flawless victory when it was over... true story.