pavlik? well im sorry a past prime bernard hopkins is much better than kelly pavlik and is even higher p4p. now you see what i mean **** for brains?
look at toney's resume excluding mccallum,jirov,nunn and a few others, it's dior.
toney fought more bums than calzaghe fought people.
please, look up and tell me what fighters Calzaghe beat that were EVER in the top 10 at their weight. its surprisingly low.
now look up the guys that Toney beat over 5 weight classes including heavyweight, and tell me how many of them were top 10 at their weight when Toney beat them.
and besides, Hopkins is Calzaghe's best win, right? well, when Toney beat Nunn, Nunn was p4p #3 and was undefeated, not to mention in his 20s. Hopkins, on the other hand...
Jirov>Kessler, because he fought 32lbs above the weight Kessler fought at, was #1 at Cruiserweight and had beaten good opponents.
McCallum>Eubank, because McCallum easily outpointed Steve Collins and crumbled Michael Watson, both guys who either beat or gave hell to Eubank.
Barkley>Lacy, because he actually has worthwhile wins on his record and was an alphabet belt champ in three different weight classes.
it argue he had more skill jones and calzaghe's physical gifts put him above toney though.
No man your wrong, with all due respect you need to watch some prime Toney. Saying he was a faliure, YES. Saying he was an underachiever, YES.
His skill is not in question. Every Gym I have ever been in has said how Toney is a natural at this sport. His defense was one of the best of his time and that was even being old, fat and slow.
Even Freddie Roach said Toney was the most naturally talented fighter he has ever trained and he's trained some great ones.
wow I forgot why I stopped coming to this site.. now I remember. this is joke right? Toney is a future HOF.. one of the greatest fighters in the past 20 years. do you even know who James toney is or you just throwing his name around because you have watch a couple of his recent fights against HW's..
good fighter, very good fighter toney but he was no great. to beat toney you need good speed and movement, toney looked his best against fighters who only fought up close against him and didn't mix it up.
all three of these fighters have good speed, footwork and can adapt! toney was only suited for counter punching off the ropes and never looked good coming forward.
Jones is head and shoulders above the rest here, with Toney and Hopinks over Joe IMO.
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