At 26, Dawson's resume already threatens Calzaghe's!!!

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  • Allucard
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    #21
    Originally posted by Tuggers1986
    I woudn't really call Lacy a good name to have on a resume. He was obviously VERY overrated.
    He's not a bad fighter either. I didn't say great i said good. A great name to have in a resume neither of the two have them as of yet. I'd say a great name to have is having a 23 year old, champion, undefeated p4p king corrales like Mayweather had or the Toney Jones beat. Or the Pavlik Bernard beat at 43 years of age. Or the Taylor Pavlik beat or the Hatton Mayweather beat or the Foreman and Frazier Ali beat. Those are great resume not jus names, but real accomplishments.

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    • Hitman932
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      #22
      3-4 years from now people will be avoiding fights with Dawson like he has the plague. Actually it is starting to happen right now.

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      • Benny Leonard
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        #23
        Originally posted by Allucard
        I thought i mentioned Johnson, well, he arguably won that fight but it's debatable of course. He looked awful in doing so. I tell you what, in not fighting this guy now, Calzaghe is making the same mistake Jones did not fighting him when he was able. Not comparing Jones and Zaghe in class though. I don't think Calzaghe is an ATG but he does have a chance to beat Dawson and possible remain relevant for longer after retirement. But instead Zaghe will continue to fight grandpas and such and when Dawson is a bigger star and matured and corrected his flaws, Calzaghe will want to comeback taking a bad beating like Jones or stay retired and lose his bright faster than he got it. I don't see what people see so special about Calzaghe. I think he's very active for a 36 year old but he's also VERY open to counters and can't punch correctly. Chad would land counters 9 out of 10 times for 12 full rounds, unlike the grandpas who couldn't do it for 12 or at all (Jones). He also can be bullied buy a stronger man and that's when all those things who made Joe a good fighter go out the window, sort of like when Cotto met Margarito and realized he couldn't dictate the pace no more. The memory i have of JC is him trying to emulate Roy of old, vs shot Roy and still getting caught. That was like "nice try but no cigar". He's also disrespectful to his opponents during fights not realizing he would lose that same fight 8 years ago vs both Bernard and Jones. That's what really makes me hate the guy. The fighter i hate because he's arguably the most overrated fighter today.

        I do think the fight between Joe and Chad should happen if Joe continues his career. And whoever wins, will get mad respect.

        A fight against Dawson will show us if Calzaghe is more than a one division fighter. Calzaghe did win the Ring belt at LH, but he did so beating a former Middleweight that was 43 years old...so, I understand where you are coming from. Dawson will be a legit test at 175.
        Last edited by Benny Leonard; 11-18-2008, 03:43 PM.

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          #24
          Originally posted by Allucard
          Although i agree Calzaghe has a better resume as of now (mostly because of Lacy and Kessler) Dawson already has his Kessler in Adamek and his Roy Jones in the man who originally beat Roy Jones, Tarver. He also arguably, true but still, beat Jonhson who is a handful for anyone even past his prime. Lets not forget Chad, at 26 already has fought and beat 3 undefeated guys one of which a champion. Tarver was also the champion so that makes 2 great and good champions in resume. And he's 10 years younger than Calzaghe. At 26 Calzaghe had ONLY past his prime Eubanks worth mentioning. I'm guessing people soon will be saying Joe Who?


          lol a big LOL.

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          • slicksouthpaw16
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            #25
            Originally posted by Allucard
            Although i agree Calzaghe has a better resume as of now (mostly because of Lacy and Kessler) Dawson already has his Kessler in Adamek and his Roy Jones in the man who originally beat Roy Jones, Tarver. He also arguably, true but still, beat Jonhson who is a handful for anyone even past his prime. Lets not forget Chad, at 26 already has fought and beat 3 undefeated guys one of which a champion. Tarver was also the champion so that makes 2 great and good champions in resume. And he's 10 years younger than Calzaghe. At 26 Calzaghe had ONLY past his prime Eubanks worth mentioning. I'm guessing people soon will be saying Joe Who?
            That's the truth. Look at Calzaghe's resume when only had 27 fights and then look at Dawson. That's why i find it so laughable how people say that he doesn't deserve a shot at Calzaghe when he has far better wins than Calzaghe does at light heavyweight, is a proven champion and a two time champion, and that's something that Kessler or Lacy couldn't claim.

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            • Allucard
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              #26
              Originally posted by Benny Leonard
              I do think the fight between Joe and Chad should happen if Joe continues his career. And whoever wins, will get mad respect.

              A fight against Dawson will show us if Calzaghe is more than a one division fighter. Calzaghe did win the Ring belt at LH, but he did so beating a former Middleweight that was 43 years old...so, I understand where you are coming from. Dawson will be a legit test at 175.
              Exactly. And if JC wants to do this, there is no better time than now. We all agree JC chances will only go down from now on. Whoever wins this hypothetical fight will shock allot of people, that's for sure.

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              • S A M U R A I
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                #27
                Originally posted by Allucard
                I'm guessing people soon will be saying Joe Who?
                If you define about 200 years as "soon" then you might have a point.

                So, if Joe beats Chad, then which up coming fighter must he fight next before he proves himself?



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                • Allucard
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by slicksouthpaw16
                  That's the truth. Look at Calzaghe's resume when only had 27 fights and then look at Dawson. That's why i find it so laughable how people say that he doesn't deserve a shot at Calzaghe when he has far better wins than Calzaghe does at light heavyweight, is a proven champion and a two time champion, and that's something that Kessler or Lacy couldn't claim.
                  Happening right now, this fight, although not really a big money fight for JC is way way better for him in the long run than for Dawson. If Dawson is slightly off i can see him losing this fight :S and we will have to admit a jerk is the undisputed champion. All the ****s on NBS will go wildy, JC will go out doing his gay dance and no one can say ****. This is actually the best scenario for Calzaghe. Wait like Jones did and you will be surprised. Even if it happens now i can also see Dawson winning as he is a better puncher and is more than fast enough to catch Zaghe multiple times and by that i mean all night. However if he fights like he did vs Johnson, he's toast.

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                  • Allucard
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by F•R•K•O
                    If you define about 200 years as "soon" then you might have a point.

                    So, if Joe beats Chad, then which up coming fighter must he fight next before he proves himself?
                    There isn't really no one else. The thing is, Dawson is not the young guy who just got there and want to draw Joe to a fight. He was already the champion when Joe was playing "imaginary legacy" with Jones, a fight that should never happened.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by slicksouthpaw16
                      That's the truth. Look at Calzaghe's resume when only had 27 fights and then look at Dawson. That's why i find it so laughable how people say that he doesn't deserve a shot at Calzaghe when he has far better wins than Calzaghe does at light heavyweight, is a proven champion and a two time champion, and that's something that Kessler or Lacy couldn't claim.
                      Stick Chad Dawson in the UK from the start of his career and see what his resume looks like after 27 fights?

                      It's safe to say it wouldn't boost many names on it, if any? Dawson plying his trade in the USA from the start gave him chances that Calzaghe didn't have at the start of his career.

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