23 reasons why Calzaghe isn't an ALL TIME GREAT

[Allucard]

Not exactly but close. You could however make Joe look allot worse than that if you add in the pulling out of fights on 2 days notice his ex-manager claimed he did. And many other things if you really want to be bias. The original poster although not favored to Joe, was not really bias, he posted the same facts boxrec can confirm. Truth is Joe is trying a shortcut to greatness and people have every right to not be ok with that!

[hishaam15]

IMO he isnt even A Legend never mind ATG

[steptwome]

.......Bump

[Burner]

Hes ducked all good competiton...hes protected and has a padded record and now comes out and wants Hopkins and Roy when they are past it OVER Dawson and Pavlik.

He wil be forgotten in 5 years.

My kids..kids...will know who Roy Jones was.

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[Dan...]

It all depends on what your criteria is for an ATG. For me, he is borderline.

[RJJp4pbaby]

Making excuses for hiss loss at 1.23! joe has robber rwritten all over his face and he knows it so is apologetic. A real champ would be braggin.

[BennyST]

I often see that many people take a dig about Tocker Pudwill. Obviously the guy is a complete hack but it's like people think that was the original opponent and that Calzonie chose to fight him or something. Does anyone even realise that he was a last minute replacement for Thomas Tate who had just been injured in sparring?

Pudwill was never meant to get that fight, but as they didn't want to pull out of the fight entirely they had to find someone willing to jump in there pronto. Sadly, it was Pudwill.

Either way, you could this type of thing to just about anyone's record. Pointless exercise really but I guess it makes some feel better.

[theghost#1]

Dissecting Joe's Great 23

1. WBO title challenge - Chris Eubank , who had twice been beaten by Steve Collins , and was badly weight drained . UD 12
2. Branko Sobot - he came into the fight with a record of 14-1 , he had beaten nobody - was a very poor fighter and none puncher , is now 19-11.
3. Juan Gimenez - had already bean beaten byEubank , Nigel Benn and Roberto Duran , was a poor opponent with no chance of winning.
4.Robin Reid , this was a very close fight , many felt Reid was robbed ,Calzaghe didn't help his cause by telling us he would ko Reid as "he cant take my power " jibe was ranted. Reid had lost his title to an ancient Thulane Malinga prior to fighting Calzaghe. - SD12.
5. Rick Thornberry ,KOED by Henry Wharton prior to this fight , he earned the shot at Calzaghe by beating 3 fighters with records as follows 1-0
8-23-5 , 5-26-1 . a disgraceful choice of opponent. UD12.
6. David Starie , who had been previously stopped in a British title fight by Dean Francis ,done nothing to earn title fight. - UD12 was a sleeper.
7. Omar Sheika had lost prior to the title shot to Tony Booth 28 -44-7 ,
but he had at least beaten Glen Johnson to earn shot. TKO5.
8. Richie Woodhall ,lost to Keith Holmes , had lost his title to Marcus Byer , and earned title shot by beating former welterweight Errol Mcdonald. TKO 10.
9. Mario Veit , undefeated but untested , brushed aside with ease . two fights before his title shot had beaten one Errol Mcdonald . TKO1.
10. Will Mcintrye , this undeserving challenger had lost to Dana Rosenblatt , and earned his shot by beating Jessie Marsh 9-3-1 . and Charles Daughtry 9-25-2 , this is a joke fighter. TKO 4.
11. Charles Brewer , this hot and cold fighter was always erratic , had lost prior on two occasions to Sven Ottke , and had be KOED by Antwan Echols, Lonnie Beasley etc. UD12.
12. Miguel Jimenez , this guy had beaten nobody to earn shot , lost to Brian Magee in his next fight also. UD12.
13. Tocker Pudwill , well this guy has to be the worst of the bunch , had lost prior to Sven Ottke , sound familiar ? he earned his shot at Calzaghe by beating the following , Enrico Ramirez 5-12-1 , Donnie Pendleton 13 -139-4 ,Larry Kenney 9-32-2 , Kwan Manassah 6-16-2. now i may not like Warren or Calzaghe but this fight was a joke.TKO2.
14. Byron Mitchell , this guy at least had a good punch as he showed by flooring Calzaghe , but had lost his prior fight to Sven Ottke , sound familiar ? exciting fight anyhow. TKO 2.
15. Mger Mkratchian , this guy had earned his shot by beating a guy with a record of 2-31 , another poor fighter. TKO 7.
16. Kabary Salem , this guy had lost his prior fight to Mario Veit , after the Calzaghe fight he was KOED by Luciano Bute. UD12.
17. Mario Veit , Veit did do better than the first fight , but still was outgunned. TKO6.
18. Evans Ashira, this guy was pretty limited , he had been KOED two fights earlier by Maselino Masoe , but lasted the distance . UD12.
19. Jeff Lacy , Lacy had looked a beast against Robin Reid , he entered the right with21 wins 17 KO'S , was over hyped , Calzaghe put his finest performance so far , handing Lacy his ass. For the record Jeff Lacy hasn't scored a KO since the Calzaghe fight. UD12.
20. Peter Manfredo JR , happy to be here Manfredo was light years from being world class , he also looked a division to small. Another poor fighter. TKO3.
21. Sakio Bika , another limited fighter , fought dirty and lost widely. UD12.
22.Mikkel Kessler , undefeated and by far the most complete fighter Calzaghe had fought so far , an excellent performance , his finest for me,
Kessler has gone on to regain a title at SM. UD12.
23. Fought a 43 year old Bernard Hopkins , was floored in the first , fight was close , Hopkins didnt fight with any urgency . Another good performance .Hopkins has gone on to beat Kelly Pavlik .SD 12.

And still Undefeated World Champion.

[BennyST]

Disect Manny Pacquiao's resume'. LOL, jk. I got the point.

You could very easily do this same thing to Pac's resume. There are very few, if any, fighters that you couldn't do this to.