23 reasons why Calzaghe isn't an ALL TIME GREAT

[Xyei]

The only reasons I used Hopkins as a counter point is,

1- His career is very similar to Calzaghes
2- Most consider him an ATG
3- I remember that thread Anorak made.

I know man I've seen it for most any fighter I can think of. I've seen people do it to Hopkins many times, not just Annie. I'll try to find the one About Ali.

[T-97]

I know man I've seen it for most any fighter I can think of. I've seen people do it to Hopkins many times, not just Annie. I'll try to find the one About Ali.

I would have found the Ali one, but I don't remember who posted it. I remembered Annies one right away so I used it.

[Clegg]

Of all the Guys who reponded to this Article Clegg You seemed to be most agitated. I found the article interesting and shared it. it is to your discretion of how you view it. You were overcome with Emotion.

Of course I was

You need to project onto me in order to feel like you've somehow won an argument. As with the opening post, you are simply adopting the viewpoint that you hope is true, because you do not know the facts.

When posting someone else's work, it is customary to post a link or to explain who is the original author. Instead, you posted it as if it was your own viewpoint. You then avoided answering whether or not it was your original work. It's only now that I've said where you copied it from that you've responded.

If you would like to have a discussion, then let's do so.

Which of the 23 fights have you seen?

[TheGreatA]

Obviously he had a lot of weak title defenses, some completely unnecessary but so did Hopkins and even the great Joe Louis.

I respect Calzaghe for being consistent but I don't think his 23 title defenses (most for the WBO belt) are that great of an achievement.

I also do not think Hopkins' IBF title defenses should put him above Hagler and Monzon who defended unified, undisputed titles.

[steptwome]

"Of all the Guys who reponded to this Article Clegg You seemed to be most agitated. I found the article interesting and shared it. it is to your discretion of how you view it. You were overcome with Emotion".

Of course I was

You need to project onto me in order to feel like you've somehow won an argument. As with the opening post, you are simply adopting the viewpoint that you hope is true, because you do not know the facts.

When posting someone else's work, it is customary to post a link or to explain who is the original author. Instead, you posted it as if it was your own viewpoint. You then avoided answering whether or not it was your original work. It's only now that I've said where you copied it from that you've responded.


If you would like to have a discussion, then let's do so.

Which of the 23 fights have you seen?

Let's start with The gate keeping Omar Sheika?

[hammerhiem]

Let's start with The gate keeping Omar Sheika?

Calzaghe tught him a boxing lesson for 3 out of the first four rounds, I'll give him round three Cal wasn't as sharp with the counter punches.

towards the end of the fourth a clash of heads cut Sheika, so he tried to KO Cal at the start of the 5th and got caught repeatedly because he was over aggressive.

Stopped before he was hurt even worse.

[Clegg]

Let's start with The gate keeping Omar Sheika?

Ok. You haven't answered my question, but I'll answer yours.

I think Sheika was a good fighter. The loss on his record to Tony Booth was widely believed to be an unfair decision. I didn't see that fight, but I read the reports at the time. I also read that Sheika got a decision that he didn't deserve prior to this, and so the Booth fight was seen as 'evening the score' by some. Tony Booth used to post here, by the way.

Sheika beat Glenn Johnson, who is a quality fighter. Again, not a fight I saw, and so I can't comment on the decision, but on paper it's a solid win and proves that Sheika was a deserving challenger.

I felt that Calzaghe put in a good performance, and it was an exciting fight. Sheika got cut in the 4th, and so in the 5th round came out trying to get the KO. Calzaghe landed the better punches, and Sheika's cut got worse. Sheika was wobbled (though not seriously hurt) and the ref stepped in. The stoppage was announced as being due to the cut, which had gotten quite bad.

Personally, I think the fight should've continued, at least for another 30 seconds or so, but unfourtunately UK ref do sometimes step in too soon, especially when it's the foreign guy in trouble.

Sheika went on to have a decent enough career to show that he was a top 10 guy in the division for at least a couple of years. His first fight with Pemberton was very exciting and is worth watching if you've not seen it.

What is your opinion on the fight, and on Sheika as a boxer/title challenger?

Also, how many of the 23 fights have you seen?

[S A M U R A I]

Of all the Guys who reponded to this Article Clegg You seemed to be most agitated. I found the article interesting and shared it. it is to your discretion of how you view it. You were overcome with Emotion.

You should at least quote the original author instead of trying to be clever and pass it off as your own. That's weak.



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[steptwome]

Ok. You haven't answered my question, but I'll answer yours.

I think Sheika was a good fighter. The loss on his record to Tony Booth was widely believed to be an unfair decision. I didn't see that fight, but I read the reports at the time. I also read that Sheika got a decision that he didn't deserve prior to this, and so the Booth fight was seen as 'evening the score' by some. Tony Booth used to post here, by the way.

Sheika beat Glenn Johnson, who is a quality fighter. Again, not a fight I saw, and so I can't comment on the decision, but on paper it's a solid win and proves that Sheika was a deserving challenger.

I felt that Calzaghe put in a good performance, and it was an exciting fight. Sheika got cut in the 4th, and so in the 5th round came out trying to get the KO. Calzaghe landed the better punches, and Sheika's cut got worse. Sheika was wobbled (though not seriously hurt) and the ref stepped in. The stoppage was announced as being due to the cut, which had gotten quite bad.

Personally, I think the fight should've continued, at least for another 30 seconds or so, but unfourtunately UK ref do sometimes step in too soon, especially when it's the foreign guy in trouble.

Sheika went on to have a decent enough career to show that he was a top 10 guy in the division for at least a couple of years. His first fight with Pemberton was very exciting and is worth watching if you've not seen it.

What is your opinion on the fight, and on Sheika as a boxer/title challenger?

Also, how many of the 23 fights have you seen?

nine

I likened Sheika to that of William Corley. He'll beat the hell out of a club/green fighter and give a good tune up for a contender (gatekeeper)

[IMDAZED]

Ok. You haven't answered my question, but I'll answer yours.

I think Sheika was a good fighter. The loss on his record to Tony Booth was widely believed to be an unfair decision. I didn't see that fight, but I read the reports at the time. I also read that Sheika got a decision that he didn't deserve prior to this, and so the Booth fight was seen as 'evening the score' by some. Tony Booth used to post here, by the way.

Sheika beat Glenn Johnson, who is a quality fighter. Again, not a fight I saw, and so I can't comment on the decision, but on paper it's a solid win and proves that Sheika was a deserving challenger.

I felt that Calzaghe put in a good performance, and it was an exciting fight. Sheika got cut in the 4th, and so in the 5th round came out trying to get the KO. Calzaghe landed the better punches, and Sheika's cut got worse. Sheika was wobbled (though not seriously hurt) and the ref stepped in. The stoppage was announced as being due to the cut, which had gotten quite bad.

Personally, I think the fight should've continued, at least for another 30 seconds or so, but unfourtunately UK ref do sometimes step in too soon, especially when it's the foreign guy in trouble.

Sheika went on to have a decent enough career to show that he was a top 10 guy in the division for at least a couple of years. His first fight with Pemberton was very exciting and is worth watching if you've not seen it.

What is your opinion on the fight, and on Sheika as a boxer/title challenger?

Also, how many of the 23 fights have you seen?

Clegg, you continue to prove that you are among the most knowledgable, and well-versed posters on here.

I too agree that Calzaghe while a HOF'er is not an ATG. But his win over Sheika at that time was pretty impressive. Sheika was a never an easy out and nobody beat him the way Joe did.