Mikkel Kessler-Daniloa Haussler Moved To Oldenburg

[dstew]

Ive never said Taylor is afraid of Froch. But theres no doubt hes clearly avoided him. My point is that Taylor thinks money before the best fights. And we all know that the most money doesnt always equal the best fights and if Taylor keeps using that mantra, we may never see him in against Froch or Kessler.

Yeah Taylor has fought Pavlik. Kessler has fought Calzaghe who Taylor also avoided over money. I just hope he doesnt get KOed again before Froch gets to him. So what exactly is your argument here?

Im happy to let Taylor have a tune up fight but I was clearly responding to the criticism that Kessler seems to be getting Stateside whilst you'll all be watching Taylor vs Lacy as if it means something.

Lets just say I hope both step it up in their next fights.........hopefully against each other.

While the most money doesn't always equal the best fights, remember that sometimes it does or Taylor wouldn't have defended against Winky and Pavlik during his MW reign. So while fighting primarily for money can have its downside, it occasionally has its upside because Taylor, by his own words, "would fight the best fight for the most money." Meaning he would also step into the ring against top guys without thinking twice if it meant a better paycheck. So if Froch or Kessler do their part in bringing more notoriety to themselves, we will definitely see one or both of them fight Taylor.

My argument about you crediting Kessler for calling out Pavlik and Hopkins while criticizing Taylor, who has already had four fights with them, couldn't be clearer. Also, all things being equal, I give Taylor less flack for fighting Lacy than I give Kessler for fighting Haussler because Taylor is new to the division and unproven at 168, even furthering his need for a tune-up, while Kessler is a proven top SMW letting his time and talent be wasted.

Regardless, both these guys at one point or another have fought the best guys in their respective divisions and I think we can agree that we want them to get back to taking on bigger challenges.

[daggum]

taylors tune up fight is against one of calzaghes best wins. LOL.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

taylors tune up fight is against one of calzaghes best wins. LOL.

One of Taylor's best wins, if not the best real win, was knocked out by Zab Judah LOL

[Kris Silver]

There's that "duck" word being over used again. Here it's used to describe one boxer failing to comment about a challenge from another boxer. Seriously? Froch has been talking trash about Calzaghe, and I haven't heard Joe issue a response. Does that mean Joe is ducking Carl?

That's disingenious and misleading. I've already explained in this thread and put into context my use of the word duck. Said myself it's generally over used, and when saying it myself it's often playing devils advocate, and making the response of if this is a duck, than this is more of one. I've even said it pretty much in that sentence.

Joe has responded to Froch by saying he's not really on his radar or worthy of such a big fight, but maybe for the money. It's not much or been said often and I'd struggle to find it (bar one vid) but Froch whom isn't #1 in SMW, has no belts or as good opponents, is hardly more deserving of a big fight, than Kessler whom is #1, has a belt, and is a logical fight for a young Pavlik. Calzaghe is retiring may I remind you, if he fought on for 5 fights and didn't beat the top contendors whom were willing to fair enough. But that's not the case, and right now is the case for Pavlik. He has more logical fights from top guys with belts whom have called him out, which I've remarked is just more of a duck than anything Joes done, for reasons explained. That's all.

Also, back to the media - has anyone ASKED Pavlik about Kessler? Not that I recall. The boxing press is too busy asking him about Joe Calzaghe and Arthur Abraham. What do these two guys share that Kessler doesn't? They both had their last fights in the U.S. against American or American-based fighters with name recognition.

Well Kessler openly called him out in the media, and most fighters normally at least respond saying at least, perhaps in a few fights. He's not even done that. The name recognition stuff I've already explained my views on. It's a factor but not as overwhelmingly as some like to make out. Boxing is a global sport, and a true champion fights the top guys sooner or later, period. Sooner, he's not doing. Later, he's either vaguely said maybe, or not even responded. Calzaghe's not done this.

[dstew]

That's disingenious and misleading. I've already explained in this thread and put into context my use of the word duck. Said myself it's generally over used, and when saying it myself it's often playing devils advocate, and making the response of if this is a duck, than this is more of one. I've even said it pretty much in that sentence.

Given your explanation for using the word in this instance, I'd say you're the one being disingenuous and misleading. Here's an idea... STOP using it unless you mean it.

Joe has responded to Froch by saying he's not really on his radar or worthy of such a big fight, but maybe for the money. It's not much or been said often and I'd struggle to find it (bar one vid) but Froch whom isn't #1 in SMW, has no belts or as good opponents, is hardly more deserving of a big fight, than Kessler whom is #1, has a belt, and is a logical fight for a young Pavlik. Calzaghe is retiring may I remind you, if he fought on for 5 fights and didn't beat the top contendors whom were willing to fair enough. But that's not the case, and right now is the case for Pavlik. He has more logical fights from top guys with belts whom have called him out, which I've remarked is just more of a duck than anything Joes done, for reasons explained. That's all.

Well Kessler openly called him out in the media, and most fighters normally at least respond saying at least, perhaps in a few fights. He's not even done that. The name recognition stuff I've already explained my views on. It's a factor but not as overwhelmingly as some like to make out. Boxing is a global sport, and a true champion fights the top guys sooner or later, period. Sooner, he's not doing. Later, he's either vaguely said maybe, or not even responded. Calzaghe's not done this.

Seriously, stop using the word "duck" just to describe someone not responding to a verbal challenge, especially when it's a title holder. Pavlik's got everyone from Abraham to Calzaghe to Froch to Williams to Mora using his name. If he doesn't directly respond to one of them it's not a "duck," please stop using that word just to make Joe look better. It's pathetic. I mention Joe's name once and you go into fanboy defensive mode.

And Froch has not just called out Joe, he's called out Kessler as well, saying he would knock him out. To my knowledge Kessler has not responded to this challenge. Once again, that doesn't mean Kessler is ducking him just because Carl says its so. Same goes for Carl's charges against Taylor and Calzaghe as well. But the logic behind your statements implies that Kessler is ducking Carl Froch while calling out Kelly Pavlik, which makes absolutelyno****ingsense.