Joe Calzaghe Is The Best Boxer In The World!

[badboypeenoy]

Name a hall-of-fame shoe-in that Calslappy totally outclassed/outboxed. Kessler isn't even in the current top 50 pound for pound list. Pacman made a PRIME Barerra and a PRIME Morales suddenly look old. Calslappy made an OLD Hopkins suddenly look young. I wouldn't even rate Calzaghe better than Juan Manuel Marquez skills-wise, and Pavlik, Cotto, and Hatton has accomplished wayway more than Calslappy could even imagine when he was at the same age.

[abadger]

Guys like yourself invite that type of criticism coming in here and overrating Calzaghe in our faces looking for approval.

The guy is what he is, a decent to very good fighter who is by all standards considered great, who gets the job done with what he has, nothing more to it.

But you guys want more then that and you're not gonna get it. He isn't sugar ray leonard, RJJ, Ali, Mayweather, Whitaker etc,. when it comes to quality of opposition or the skills department.

You think if I was looking for approval I would come on here and talk up Joe Calzaghe? Okay. I also wouldn't say this:

IMO Calzaghe is one of the best boxers I have ever seen. He is a world class tactician, possesses lightning speed for a SMW, is maybe the highest output boxer the division has ever seen, has an iron chin, is very strong and possesses exceptional physical and mental toughness. Above all he is able to see what his opponent wants to do and prevent them from doing it. Even better, he does this usually using his own offense, rather than like Hopkins, defense. He is not a slick boxer in the Casamayor mold, nor is he possessed of dazzling attacking style like Roy Jones, but more than any boxer I have seen he has a game complete and rounded enough to pick and choose what to do to beat his opponent. Sometimes he looks good, other times bad, but he always gets the job done. If this is not a special talent then I don't know what is.

[Vladimir303]

Few if any said he's better than prime Roy, Ali, Mayweather or Whitaker. So why have you just said that? Even just there you've dated back over half a century. Calzaghe is p4p #2 and one of the best fighters of his generation. That's pretty impressive. That's all ppl say, they don't go onto Roy, Ali, or Mayweather, your saying that crap.

Best of his generation in what? Supper-middleweight.

I didn't realize that the supper-middleweight division, who only has existed for 25 years had that many great fighters in the last 10 years.

All Calzaghe is, is the best supper-middleweight. That he is, and has earned it overstaying and exhausting the amount of fights he has had at that weight.

[ALT-Assassin]

I don't think there's much doubt that American fans are heavily biased in favour of American fighters, or at least the ones on these boards are. I spoke to Tunney about this once and he told me that in America Calzaghe was viewed for the most part as another Ottke by fans, and we see on the boards to this day the whole Calzaghe fought only bums thing. Any objective boxing fan with any knowledge of the era should know that this is simply untrue. Calzaghe lacked a truly top calss opponent for a long time, but the majority of his defences were against perfectly credible opposition comparable with the majority of Hopkins defences for example. Another example is Kessler, he has achieved plenty in boxing by beating all the guys he has, but Americans on here see comparisons of him with Pavlik as laughable.

As for US media, its not quite so bad. They will give props to any guy that impresses them, but the only way to do that is to beat a boxer who boxes out of America on American soil. It really is the truth. They also have and frequently vocalise a distrust of any result outside of America and any fighter who hasn't boxed there. Sometimes this is justifiable, as in the shenanigans at the first Abraham/ Miranda fight, but very often it is not. For example Kellerman suggested 'home-cooking' when Sakio Bika had a point deducted against Calzaghe, when in fact it was completely fair, and later actually retracted that statement when it became clear that in fact Micky Vann was being lenient with him. The thing was, the damage was done, any US fans watching had UK, Calzagh = Home cooking firmly implanted in their heads.

So really, its not so much I see the US fans/media as having an active animus against non-US fighters, it's really more of this huge presumption that 'only US counts'. With fans as well I should add, it often boils down to nothing more than not having seen the careers of foreigners on TV and simply that assuming that they and their opponents are no good for that reason alone. Thats how you wind up with people saying stuff like Taylor is better than Calzaghe, they don't set out to be biased about it, they just presume he is.

I hope you think all of this is fair. Also, are you from the US or where?

The mistake you make is listening to Tunney another Wlad Owns ALT.This board is filled with biasness for Mexican fighters{Viva Mexico}Eastern European fighters{Wlad Owns}Puerto Rican fighters,British fighters{Johnny Rebal}Philipino fighters and any other nationality included in this is some American posters as well.The problem I find with this assumption that you have is that the British media also has biasness for their British fighters.Take a look at the Hatton-Mayweather aftermath where Cortezes name was mentioned by Hatton his Trainer,Sentena sports,Sky sports as the reason Hatton lost the fight.I seen the Hatton fight on a Sentena stream and was amazed at how they were screaming even when the Ref got close to Hatton when he was not even breaking them up.The only time they gave credit to Mayweather was when Hatton was lying on the Canvas and his corner threw in the towell.Frank Warren also claimed that Khan was as good as Mayweather,now if that is not biased it is pure ******ity.All media outlets show support for their own fighters and look for excuses everywhere,not just the American media.Steve Bunce is also very biased when he talks about British fighters,he even said that the current American Heavyweights are cowards.You would be hard pressed to find any American boxing pundit calling a European fighter a coward.

[SmarterChild]

Tye Fields is the better boxer

[Vladimir303]

You think if I was looking for approval I would come on here and talk up Joe Calzaghe? Okay. I also wouldn't say this:

IMO Calzaghe is one of the best boxers I have ever seen. He is a world class tactician, possesses lightning speed for a SMW, is maybe the highest output boxer the division has ever seen, has an iron chin, is very strong and possesses exceptional physical and mental toughness. Above all he is able to see what his opponent wants to do and prevent them from doing it. Even better, he does this usually using his own offense, rather than like Hopkins, defense. He is not a slick boxer in the Casamayor mold, nor is he possessed of dazzling attacking style like Roy Jones, but more than any boxer I have seen he has a game complete and rounded enough to pick and choose what to do to beat his opponent. Sometimes he looks good, other times bad, but he always gets the job done. If this is not a special talent then I don't know what is.

And this is exactly the type of comments that will get you the typical Calslappy response. Talking him up like that, and when I said approval I didn't mean you but the approval for your country's best fighter who can't compare to some of the best fighters that America has had in just the last 15 years.....skill wise or resume wise.

[RodBarker]

You think if I was looking for approval I would come on here and talk up Joe Calzaghe? Okay. I also wouldn't say this:

IMO Calzaghe is one of the best boxers I have ever seen. He is a world class tactician, possesses lightning speed for a SMW, is maybe the highest output boxer the division has ever seen, has an iron chin, is very strong and possesses exceptional physical and mental toughness. Above all he is able to see what his opponent wants to do and prevent them from doing it. Even better, he does this usually using his own offense, rather than like Hopkins, defense. He is not a slick boxer in the Casamayor mold, nor is he possessed of dazzling attacking style like Roy Jones, but more than any boxer I have seen he has a game complete and rounded enough to pick and choose what to do to beat his opponent. Sometimes he looks good, other times bad, but he always gets the job done. If this is not a special talent then I don't know what is.

You need to see more boxing and more ATG fighters , having made the comment that you have only seen Hagler Hearns Leonard fight each other says right there your level of judgment , your what I call a lolly pop fan .

[abadger]

The mistake you make is listening to Tunney another Wlad Owns ALT.This board is filled with biasness for Mexican fighters{Viva Mexico}Eastern European fighters{Wlad Owns}Puerto Rican fighters,British fighters{Johnny Rebal}Philipino fighters and any other nationality included in this is some American posters as well.The problem I find with this assumption that you have is that the British media also has biasness for their British fighters.Take a look at the Hatton-Mayweather aftermath where Cortezes name was mentioned by Hatton his Trainer,Sentena sports,Sky sports as the reason Hatton lost the fight.I seen the Hatton fight on a Sentena stream and was amazed at how they were screaming even when the Ref got close to Hatton when he was not even breaking them up.The only time they gave credit to Mayweather was when Hatton was lying on the Canvas and his corner threw in the towell.Frank Warren also claimed that Khan was as good as Mayweather,now if that is not biased it is pure ******ity.All media outlets show support for their own fighters and look for excuses everywhere,not just the American media.Steve Bunce is also very biased when he talks about British fighters,he even said that the current American Heavyweights are cowards.You would be hard pressed to find any American boxing pundit calling a European fighter a coward.

I agree British media and fans are biased towards their fighters. Its is absolutely true. I have no problem admitting it. Why can't you do the same?Look at these boards, the evidence of what the fans are like is overwhelming! There are exceptions, but in general it is true. It is the same with the media, I gave you examples. It doesn't make America bad, indeed bias is an unavoidable outcome of any sports coverage. But why not just admit it, I mean what is the alternative? That American fans and media are at all times paragons of perfect impartiality?!

[abadger]

You need to see more boxing and more ATG fighters , having made the comment that you have only seen Hagler Hearns Leonard fight each other says right there your level of judgment , your what I call a lolly pop fan .

If you say so. I think my assessment of boxing and boxers is much better than yours is and that in comparison I am relatively free of bias. You are what I call wrong.

[abadger]

Name a hall-of-fame shoe-in that Calslappy totally outclassed/outboxed. Kessler isn't even in the current top 50 pound for pound list. Pacman made a PRIME Barerra and a PRIME Morales suddenly look old. Calslappy made an OLD Hopkins suddenly look young. I wouldn't even rate Calzaghe better than Juan Manuel Marquez skills-wise, and Pavlik, Cotto, and Hatton has accomplished wayway more than Calslappy could even imagine when he was at the same age.

Bernard Hopkins.