Who has the more tougher resume, DLH or RJJ?

[Darkstar]

David Diaz isn't a decent champ, first of all.

Secondly, RJJ also beat the man at 160, 168 and unified at 175.

Furthermore, I don't remember how far back you've been watching boxing but Oscar used to get SLAMMED for his quality of opposition until he fought Quartey.

At 130, Azumah Nelson was considered the best and Oscar never sniffed him.

At 135 it was Orzubek Nazarov.

At 140 it was Kostya Tszyu/Vince Phillips.

At 147, he did his thing but may have lost to each elite fighter.

Really, I don't get your argument - you have none. Oscar fought the better opposition. Now what?

Before the Ike Quartey(Which is something RJJ would have never done, legit champ in his prime. Low reward, high risk) fight. Oscar had been in the ring with and won over the likes of.

John John Molina

Rafael Ruelas

Genaro Hernandez ( At the time was 32-0, went on to beat Azumah Nelson a few fights AFTER Oscar beat him)

Jesse James Leija ( 30-1)

Julio Cesar Chavez (Twice)

Pernell Whitaker

Hector Camacho

Wilfredo Rivera

Compared to anyone really not bad opposition really. That was before his prime even started and went on to fight so many great fighters.

Why even mention the 130 class? De La Hoya just started his career and hardly even fought at 130. So of course he didnt fight the best. He was very young and fluxed from 130 to 135 untill his career started.

Your god, won titles off the likes Thomas Tate, Bryant Brannon, Lou Del Valle. How grest is that? lol

For you to even mention Del La Hoyas first 15-20 fights is just scary.

[THE REED]

Sorry for the late reply mate been busy since yesterday!

My point re Calzaghe and Jones wasn't that Calzaghe had achieved more than Jones (I couldnt see Joe winning a title at heavyweight for example) merely that Joe isn't going into anyone's top 5 of all time lists whereas I do see people putting Jones into this bracket, somewhere that I really don't think he belongs. Again allow me to reiterate that I feel he COULD have been held up with these guys but that he simply didn't fight the opposition needed to hold such a lofty position. In regards to the Hopkins fight, I feel it should have happened much sooner than the proposed rematch was planned for. I also feel that both fighters should have done more to make it happen. With regards to that particular fight, I didnt really care about it at that point as B-Hop had lost two to Jermaine Taylor and Jones been spread all over the canvas. But yeah, it wasn't really Roy's fault it didnt happen at that time.

as long as u know its both 50/50 there faults for the fight not happening

[IMDAZED]

Before the Ike Quartey(Which is something RJJ would have never done, legit champ in his prime. Low reward, high risk) fight. Oscar had been in the ring with and won over the likes of.

John John Molina

Rafael Ruelas

Genaro Hernandez ( At the time was 32-0, went on to beat Azumah Nelson a few fights AFTER Oscar beat him)

Jesse James Leija ( 30-1)

Julio Cesar Chavez (Twice)

Pernell Whitaker

Hector Camacho

Wilfredo Rivera

Compared to anyone really not bad opposition really. That was before his prime even started and went on to fight so many great fighters.

Why even mention the 130 class? De La Hoya just started his career and hardly even fought at 130. So of course he didnt fight the best. He was very young and fluxed from 130 to 135 untill his career started.

Your god, won titles off the likes Thomas Tate, Bryant Brannon, Lou Del Valle. How grest is that? lol

For you to even mention Del La Hoyas first 15-20 fights is just scary.

Wow...talk about errors.

First of all, Roy Jones never won a title from Thomas Tate.

Roy Jones never won a title from Bryant Brannon.

Roy Jones won one of THREE light heavyweight titles against Lou Del Valle.

But why let facts get in the way of your good argument.

And thanks for sharing who Oscar fought...I think I knew this already. That doesn't change any of the FACTS I posted in my previous post so I'm not even gonna bother.

Peace.

[S.G.]

you wont find many modern fighters who've fought as many good-great fighters as ODLH

[Jim Jeffries]

No, but he did fight Hopkins at 160, Toney at 168 and unified 175. But YOU wanna tout "9 world titles." LOL

A very green Hopkins in Bernard's first title fight? You sure you want to go there? And I was more touting 6 different weight classes, something that has never been done before or since.

[-Swizzy-]

dlh has better names on his resume but jones has the better resume cuz he actually beat the names that were on his resume.

[IMDAZED]

A very green Hopkins in Bernard's first title fight? You sure you want to go there? And I was more touting 6 different weight classes, something that has never been done before or since.

Sure. I have no issues going there.

6 different weight classes - oooh!! By robbing Felix Sturm for the WBO belt? Sure, he was the REAL middleweight champ! And Oscar really beat him too!

Oh and that WBO belt he picked up at junior lightweight! How could I forget that?

Oh, and the way he beat Tszyu at 140! Ooops...

And we wanna talk about a "green" Hopkins? I'll tell you what, I'll pick a green Hopkins over ANY Felix Sturm ANY day, ok?

[Darkstar]

Wow...talk about errors.

First of all, Roy Jones never won a title from Thomas Tate.

Roy Jones never won a title from Bryant Brannon.

Roy Jones won one of THREE light heavyweight titles against Lou Del Valle.

But why let facts get in the way of your good argument.

And thanks for sharing who Oscar fought...I think I knew this already. That doesn't change any of the FACTS I posted in my previous post so I'm not even gonna bother.

Peace.

Ah so I was right about De La Hoyas competition before the Ike Quartey fight. Now you agree but before it was:

"Furthermore, I don't remember how far back you've been watching boxing but Oscar used to get SLAMMED for his quality of opposition until he fought Quartey."

[IMDAZED]

Ah so I was right about De La Hoyas competition before the Ike Quartey fight. Now you agree but before it was:

"Furthermore, I don't remember how far back you've been watching boxing but Oscar used to get SLAMMED for his quality of opposition until he fought Quartey."

He did get slammed, when did I deny what I said?

Of course, you don't know that because you see a bunch of decent names on boxrec and go, "Oh ****! He fought everyone!" Which is partly true.

However, he picked up the WBO title at 130 (one of his many "world titles") so if he could do that, I'm sure he coulda fought...umm...the better fighters in the division?

He didn't fight the best at 135 either, like it or not.

And not at 140 either.

And not at 154 either.

He lost to the best at 160.

At 147, he arguably lost to every top fighter he fought. Of course, you could say he won a couple too.

We're done here. Unless you have a bunch more lies you wanna pass off as facts. Bryant Brannon. Man, shut up.

[THE REED]

A very green Hopkins in Bernard's first title fight? You sure you want to go there? And I was more touting 6 different weight classes, something that has never been done before or since.

hahahaha... i like how people say green... they just throw it out there like its nothing..


roy and bernard both had about 22 pro fights when they fought... roy beat him SOUNDLY.... 5 fights later, bernard became the IBF MW champion, and it stayed like that for 10 years....

sure.... he was too GREEN!