would mayweather be undefeated if he fought everyone pac has fought??

[MaYaN_SuN]

At Welterweight Floyd has more then enough problems with prime Mosley and Oscar alone. But Floyd didn't get those kind of fights, his biggest and hardest fight came from Castillo.

Now Cotto is here for a reason, for Floyd to prove himself if he chose to fight for his P4P status....But Floyd ran away and retired. He didn't want that kind of test. He probably had extreme flash backs of the Castillo fight or some ****.

And the Irony is...Even though I'd pick Cotto over Floyd, Floyd can still sting that chin of Miguels, fairly easily, thats why it was supposed to be such a great matchup. But Floyd didn't even want to try, he straight left lmao. Adios Floyd.

[slicksouthpaw16]

I guess how you carry yourself is how people perceive you. The guy above says mayweather would have "ducked morales/barrera/marquez publicly"

there is no way mayweather would duck those guys at his best weight, under the same promoter basically, if those fights could have happened, they would have.

If you think about it, because pac is a nice guy, the perception of his team turning down soto and not waiting for valeros medical records to clear leaves only a few people turning up suspecion. How you carry yourself is how people perceive you. Mayweather got this reputation because he downtalked everyone not being on his level and then everyone and their mama tried to get a fight with him.

Pac is in that same position right now, except he doesnt go so far to discredit everyone else, so him leaving 130 without fighting real threats in that division other than Marquez, him moving up and getting all the credit in the world for dismantling david diaz of all people, and then turning down the soto fight are all perceived differently.

Honestly, i think very few of on here and abroad will even remember his outstanding run at 130/135. For most people, itll start with Gatti onward.

But what could mayweather have done? He wasnt selling or drawing being a humble guy. He wasnt being promoted all that well, he was getting the job done, winning in dominant fashion, getting the job done and sometimes knocking people out.

If mayweather didint become who he did, hed be under the radar likely his whole career. But the hate he brought on himself made him a star, honestly i dont see how else he would have gotten so big, especially oddly enough, its not like alot of fighters were lining up to get in the ring with him until much later when the size differential was enourmous enough for them to feel like theyd have a chance.

Thats true. One thing that i must admit is that Pacquaio takes more chances than Mayweather by fighting guys that he doesn't have to fight. Earlier today, i read on ********* that Pacquaio/Soto is pretty much set to go on November 15 in Las Vegas. He is then fighting Valero if he was to get past Soto. The thing that i like more about Pacquaio is the fact that he isn't affraid to get a loss and is not matched carefully by any means. He takes chances and always looked to fight the best, even when he was in his younger days at featherweight. He doesn't need to face Soto and Soto is not his mandotory, but he is giving him a shot anyway. Pacquaio is also ******** by fighting Valero. As much as i like both fighters, i must admit that Pacquaio will be known as the greater fighter.

I was around when Mayweather had his title reign in the late 90's at super featherweight/lightweight and i use to love watchig him on saturday nights with Cousins and friends and he definitely beat some very good opponents and champions, but it was only the big fights against champions that he would take. Soto is a conteder, Valero doesn't have a big name and yet Pacquaio is still taking huge risks.

[MakeDamnSure]

You're just basing it on pure imagination like what this will be the same if it happens like this or like that etc.. Castillo already beat him with pure aggression... The big question is what if Barrera never fought Pac in 2003? MAB was considered the #3 P4P out there and if he never fought Pac, he could have been the number 1 P4P after he beat Morales at 130.. If Mayweather was still at 130 in 2005 or 2006, MAB and EM will still beat him..

[El Jesus]

You're just basing it on pure imagination like what this will be the same if it happens like this or like that etc.. Castillo already beat him with pure aggression... The big question is what if Barrera never fought Pac in 2003? MAB was considered the #3 P4P out there and if he never fought Pac, he could have been the number 1 P4P after he beat Morales at 130.. If Mayweather was still at 130 in 2005 or 2006, MAB and EM will still beat him..

This entire thread is about imagination, the difference between me and you is that i am basing what im talking about on fights i actually saw between all of them, you arent. If you were, youd answer my question about what you saw about Casamayor and Freitas, youd answer my question about how jr jones beat barrera and why thats signifigant to why if he faced mayweather at 130, it would be a huge issue. But you cant, because you have never seen any of the fights mentioned above, and for the most part, you likely didint start following boxing as a whole until pac came to prominence. I can just tell, either that, or you simply dont understand how styles work against each other. So just ill leave you alone.

[El Jesus]

Thats true. One thing that i must admit is that Pacquaio takes more chances than Mayweather by fighting guys that he doesn't have to fight. Earlier today, i read on ********* that Pacquaio/Soto is pretty much set to go on November 15 in Las Vegas. He is then fighting Valero if he was to get past Soto. The thing that i like more about Pacquaio is the fact that he isn't affraid to get a loss and is not matched carefully by any means. He takes chances and always looked to fight the best, even when he was in his younger days at featherweight. He doesn't need to face Soto and Soto is not his mandotory, but he is giving him a shot anyway. Pacquaio is also ******** by fighting Valero. As much as i like both fighters, i must admit that Pacquaio will be known as the greater fighter.

I was around when Mayweather had his title reign in the late 90's at super featherweight/lightweight and i use to love watchig him on saturday nights with Cousins and friends and he definitely beat some very good opponents and champions, but it was only the big fights against champions that he would take. Soto is a conteder, Valero doesn't have a big name and yet Pacquaio is still taking huge risks.

You are right, but i think mayweather probably became a very bitter person. In his mind, he probably felt he had taken all comers all those years, yet he got no love whatsoever. He fought all those titlists, contenders and viable challangers from 130/135 and he probably felt he should be gettnig the same love someone like Oscar gets for having fought those tough fights.

I honestly think mayweather is frustrated with the reception hes gotten, you are right that pac does take all comers, but i dont really think mayweather thinks hed lose as much as he probably feels he doesnt have to do that anymore even though we want to see him do it. I also dont think mayweather is "carefully matched" as much as i think he just chases the money which is why he moved up in the first place.

[slicksouthpaw16]

You are right, but i think mayweather probably became a very bitter person. In his mind, he probably felt he had taken all comers all those years, yet he got no love whatsoever. He fought all those titlists, contenders and viable challangers from 130/135 and he probably felt he should be gettnig the same love someone like Oscar gets for having fought those tough fights.

I honestly think mayweather is frustrated with the reception hes gotten, you are right that pac does take all comers, but i dont really think mayweather thinks hed lose as much as he probably feels he doesnt have to do that anymore even though we want to see him do it. I also dont think mayweather is "carefully matched" as much as i think he just chases the money which is why he moved up in the first place.

Yeah, Mayweather is not the guy that he shows on televison. However, he has always been mentally damaged from his child hood. I think that is the reason why he behaves the way he does to this day. He never had the chance to be a child because his father made his life boxing 24/7 and he never had the chance to eat candy and just a kid. He had no choice but to be a geat fighter. His father mentally abused him and he shows it. He is a very emotional guy. Both his mother and father was also on drugs as well and he mainly grew up with his grandmother and there were a lot of heaten fights between the two families, his mother's and his father's side.

[Left Hook Tua]

You must be out of your mind. Sometimes you can make good posts, and then you degenerate yourself to this thought lol.

ha ha ha

it's a joke boof.

how can someone undefeated and fought as high as 154 not be able to beat guys at 112 , 122 , 126 and 130?

relax......it's not really a serious thread.

[Left Hook Tua]

hmmm......

why are so many people responding to this thread when it's obviously made as a joke/hate thread?

for people to take this thread seriously is funny.

we're talking about a guy who is a natural junior welterweight against natural junior featherweights and featherweights and people are comparing them in head to head matchups?

might as well say ali was better than robinson because he would beat him in a fight.

you don't compare a guy like mayweather who started his career at 130 to guys who had to jump multiple divisions and made it to 130 at the tail end of their careers.

are we gonna start saying jones is way better than duran because jones would beat duran head to head since it's okay to compare them head to head since roy started at 160 and duran fought at 160 in his later years?

if you want to compare floyd with marco and erik compare their resumes. don't compare how a welterweight in his prime would do head to head with guys who were at their primes at junior featherweight.

[Ray*]

Thats true. In fact, i remember seeing that someone tried to claim that Mayweather ducked Morales at 130..lol. They try anything to discredit him becuase of the way he acts and thats some what reasonable, but they should at least know what they are talking about before making fools of themselves. They don't even pay attention to the fact that Mayweather has already moved in weight by the time Casamayor or Freitas came on the scene. Would you imagine the kind of **** we would have to hear of the Mayweather/Corales fight some how fell apart? They would be throwing hissy fits.

I wouldnt want to imagine what the corrales myth would have been like had the Mayweather/Corrales fight somehow fell through, It would have been how corrales was this KO killer who has the height and reach to KO mayweather but somehow Mayweather "avoid" corrales..

[El Jesus]

hmmm......

why are so many people responding to this thread when it's obviously made as a joke/hate thread?

for people to take this thread seriously is funny.

we're talking about a guy who is a natural junior welterweight against natural junior featherweights and featherweights and people are comparing them in head to head matchups?

might as well say ali was better than robinson because he would beat him in a fight.

you don't compare a guy like mayweather who started his career at 130 to guys who had to jump multiple divisions and made it to 130 at the tail end of their careers.

are we gonna start saying jones is way better than duran because jones would beat duran head to head since it's okay to compare them head to head since roy started at 160 and duran fought at 160 in his later years?

if you want to compare floyd with marco and erik compare their resumes. don't compare how a welterweight in his prime would do head to head with guys who were at their primes at junior featherweight.

We know there isnt a comparison, but some individuals think otherwise, thus correcting them is better than thinking they might actually be right.