would mayweather be undefeated if he fought everyone pac has fought??

[rebmogul]

sorry to say and i dont even like floyd (notice my avi) bit NO ONE beats floyd from 140 down in his era, NO ONE. with the exception of the first castillo fight, but floyd clearly proved to be the better fighter in the rematch.....

[El Jesus]

L0l you'll never know... He never fought Casamayor, Frietas etc...

by the time Casamayor and Freitas even began to build a name for themselves mayweather had already moved up to take on the best 135 champ at the time whom was jose luis castillo. When mayweather left, Barrios, Freitas, Chico and Casamayor began to shape up the best at 130, at which point mayweather was already looking to move up. None of those guys would have beaten mayweather especially that early into their careers.

Infact, since your such a knowitall, why dont you tell me why Casamayor would post a threat to mayweather, and what i really wanna know is, why in the hell would Freitas come anywhere close to beating mayweather, i want you to tell me what Freitas' strengths and weaknesses were , and i want you to tell me if you saw casamayor vs freitas, and what you took from that fight that tells me he would post a challange for mayweather, whom had already beaten at this point, Jesus Chavez, Carlos Hernandez, Chico, Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfredy etc. What does freitas have those those other guys didint?

Im almost 100 percent certain you read that on here that somehow he ducked freitas and casamayor, since this is the only place on earth where something like that is a conceivable notion.

[Ray*]

by the time Casamayor and Freitas even began to build a name for themselves mayweather had already moved up to take on the best 135 champ at the time whom was jose luis castillo. When mayweather left, Barrios, Freitas, Chico and Casamayor began to shape up the best at 130, at which point mayweather was already looking to move up. None of those guys would have beaten mayweather especially that early into their careers.

Infact, since your such a knowitall, why dont you tell me why Casamayor would post a threat to mayweather, and what i really wanna know is, why in the hell would Freitas come anywhere close to beating mayweather, i want you to tell me what Freitas' strengths and weaknesses were , and i want you to tell me if you saw casamayor vs freitas, and what you took from that fight that tells me he would post a challange for mayweather, whom had already beaten at this point, Jesus Chavez, Carlos Hernandez, Chico, Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfredy etc. What does freitas have those those other guys didint?

Im almost 100 percent certain you read that on here that somehow he ducked freitas and casamayor, since this is the only place on earth where something like that is a conceivable notion.

There is alot of ignorance on here and its better to leave them to it than to try to enlighten them, They would label you a nuthugger for trying teach them history, If anyone thinks brawler like Morales or Barrera can beat Mayweather at 130/135 then they dont know their boxing.

People like to jump on a bandwagon all this myth about Mayweather not fighting Casamayor or freitas is just laughable.

[brently1979]

You really, really dislike Mayweather, don't you?

More of a love hate relationship I think. We'll Mayweather has gotten the best of VIA, because he carries Floyd around like a brick on his shoulder.

[MakeDamnSure]

Yeah Floyd beats them but you'll never know.. Barrera and Morales or Marquez might beat him.. It's all dreams right now... Just basing it on his dominance against those fighters doesn't guarantee he'll destroy them... Castillo already did it and was competitive against Floyd.. Morales and Barrera have decent chins.. Barrera has the hook like Castillo has that might cause Floyd problems..

[El Jesus]

Yeah Floyd beats them but you'll never know.. Barrera and Morales or Marquez might beat him.. It's all dreams right now... Just basing it on his dominance against those fighters doesn't guarantee he'll destroy them... Castillo already did it and was competitive against Floyd.. Morales and Barrera have decent chins.. Barrera has the hook like Castillo has that might cause Floyd problems..

Castillo did not destroy mayweather, and by no means did mayweather back down neither, i think it was round 10 or 11 mayweather went toe to toe and stood his ground knowing the fight was in the balance. I dont even think you have seen the fight regardless.


I want to ask you an honest question, have you seen mayweather at 130? If so, which fights? Now i want to ask you another, honest and for real question, what were morales and barreras best weights? What was marquez best weight?

Now ill ask another question, what happened when Jr Jones fought Barrera? Do you think Jr Jones is better than mayweather? What was it that Jr Jones did in particular that gave Barrera so many issues, now tell me why that would be signifigant in a Mayweather fight at 130.

[slicksouthpaw16]

There is alot of ignorance on here and its better to leave them to it than to try to enlighten them, They would label you a nuthugger for trying teach them history, If anyone thinks brawler like Morales or Barrera can beat Mayweather at 130/135 then they dont know their boxing.

People like to jump on a bandwagon all this myth about Mayweather not fighting Casamayor or freitas is just laughable.

Thats true. In fact, i remember seeing that someone tried to claim that Mayweather ducked Morales at 130..lol. They try anything to discredit him becuase of the way he acts and thats some what reasonable, but they should at least know what they are talking about before making fools of themselves. They don't even pay attention to the fact that Mayweather has already moved in weight by the time Casamayor or Freitas came on the scene. Would you imagine the kind of **** we would have to hear of the Mayweather/Corales fight some how fell apart? They would be throwing hissy fits.

[MakeDamnSure]

Castillo did not destroy mayweather, and by no means did mayweather back down neither, i think it was round 10 or 11 mayweather went toe to toe and stood his ground knowing the fight was in the balance. I dont even think you have seen the fight regardless.


I want to ask you an honest question, have you seen mayweather at 130? If so, which fights? Now i want to ask you another, honest and for real question, what were morales and barreras best weights? What was marquez best weight?

Now ill ask another question, what happened when Jr Jones fought Barrera? Do you think Jr Jones is better than mayweather? What was it that Jr Jones did in particular that gave Barrera so many issues, now tell me why that would be signifigant in a Mayweather fight at 130.

I saw his fight with Corrales, Hernandez and Castillo plus the rematch.. Morales and Barrera's best weight were at 122 and 126.. The only reason why Morales failed at 130 is because he fought the best at 130 immediately (Barrera, Pac, Chavez, Hernandez, Espadas) without him taking any tune-up fights.. He defended his belts against the best... Barrera was competitive at 130 enough to beat everybody.. At 126 and 130, Barrera was very good.. The only thing that made them both look bad right now against Mayweather is because Pac beat both in fashion which made some people think Floyd will destroy them just Because Pac already did it.

Jones Beat Barrera 10 years ago Yes.. So you mean Singsurat will also beat Barrera and Morales?.. If Pac is out of the picture, everybody will choose Barrera and Morales to beat Floyd.. It's Pac that made it look bad because he beats both of them.

[El Jesus]

Thats true. In fact, i remember seeing that someone tried to claim that Mayweather ducked Morales at 130..lol. They try anything to discredit him becuase of the way he acts and thats some what reasonable, but they should at least know what they are talking about before making fools of themselves. They don't even pay attention to the fact that Mayweather has already moved in weight by the time Casamayor or Freitas came on the scene. Would you imagine the kind of **** we would have to hear of the Mayweather/Corales fight some how fell apart? They would be throwing hissy fits.

I guess how you carry yourself is how people perceive you. The guy above says mayweather would have "ducked morales/barrera/marquez publicly"

there is no way mayweather would duck those guys at his best weight, under the same promoter basically, if those fights could have happened, they would have.

If you think about it, because pac is a nice guy, the perception of his team turning down soto and not waiting for valeros medical records to clear leaves only a few people turning up suspecion. How you carry yourself is how people perceive you. Mayweather got this reputation because he downtalked everyone not being on his level and then everyone and their mama tried to get a fight with him.

Pac is in that same position right now, except he doesnt go so far to discredit everyone else, so him leaving 130 without fighting real threats in that division other than Marquez, him moving up and getting all the credit in the world for dismantling david diaz of all people, and then turning down the soto fight are all perceived differently.

Honestly, i think very few of on here and abroad will even remember his outstanding run at 130/135. For most people, itll start with Gatti onward.

But what could mayweather have done? He wasnt selling or drawing being a humble guy. He wasnt being promoted all that well, he was getting the job done, winning in dominant fashion, getting the job done and sometimes knocking people out.

If mayweather didint become who he did, hed be under the radar likely his whole career. But the hate he brought on himself made him a star, honestly i dont see how else he would have gotten so big, especially oddly enough, its not like alot of fighters were lining up to get in the ring with him until much later when the size differential was enourmous enough for them to feel like theyd have a chance.

[El Jesus]

I saw his fight with Corrales, Hernandez and Castillo plus the rematch.. Morales and Barrera's best weight were at 122 and 126.. The only reason why Morales failed at 130 is because he fought the best at 130 immediately (Barrera, Pac, Chavez, Hernandez, Espadas) without him taking any tune-up fights.. He defended his belts against the best... Barrera was competitive at 130 enough to beat everybody.. At 126 and 130, Barrera was very good.. The only thing that made them both look bad right now against Mayweather is because Pac beat both in fashion which made some people think Floyd will destroy them just Because Pac already did it.

Jones Beat Barrera 10 years ago Yes.. So you mean Singsurat will also beat Barrera and Morales?.. If Pac is out of the picture, everybody will choose Barrera and Morales to beat Floyd.. It's Pac that made it look bad because he beats both of them.

10 Years ago was 1998, this was when Mayweathers dominance at that weight had begun. Jr Jones used movement and speed and Barrera didint really know how to deal with it. I dont give a **** about pac right now in this agrument so leave him out of it.

My question to you was do you think Jr Jones is better than mayweather and i asked this because imagine what Jr Jones did and multiply it by 10x if the fight took place at mayweathers best weight which was 130. Neither Morales nor Barrera were at their best weight at 130, so you are telling me that if they had to move up 1 to 2 divisions from their best weights, to take on the guy many regard as the best and most compelte 130lb fighter ever, that somehow they would come out on top based on how badly they have done against guys who actually moved out of the way?

Raheem would have done the exact same thing to morales if they fought at 130. Now multiply that by 20x if he would have been fighting floyd at that weight.

I have been watching barrera and morales for a long time because i have always loved the lower weight classes, especially when morales begin to get shown on HBO. I am not basing this on what i saw against pacman, im basing it against what i saw against guys whos style is similar to mayweather in terms of speed/technique/footwork.

All of those guys i mentioned that barrera and morales lost to are nowhere near mayweathers level, so if you think about it, at 130, neither of them have a real chance at beating him so stop implying that.

Stop looking at boxrec and start watching the ****ing fights. Keep in mind i regard morales and barrera as 2 of the most outstanding fighters of all time, but mayweather is on another level, esepcially at 130. Get that embedded in your mind, if you couldnt pick that up from watching the Chico, Hernandez and the Castillo rematch i dont know what else to tell you.