Cotto vs Gomez brings LOWEST HBO WCB ratings ever

[Antwuan Maxx]

KEY WORDS: "....according to Cotto promoter Bob Arum...."

Would you feel more comfortable about the figures if they came from Ellerbe and Floyd?

[Brandish]

Would you feel more comfortable about the figures if they came from Ellerbe and Floyd?

hbo alays releases floyd's ppv numbers for some reason hbo did not release cotto's ppv numbers like they normally do with pacquiao and floyd

[QUISQUEYA]

Would you feel more comfortable about the figures if they came from Ellerbe and Floyd?

I would be equally skeptical. In neither case are they "official" numbers.

I don't trust nums from someone who has skin in the game.

[Antwuan Maxx]

I would be equally skeptical. In neither case are they "official" numbers.

I don't trust nums from someone who has skin in the game.

Fact of the matter is, plenty of industry insiders have access to these numbers. If Arum was truly inflating the figures, I'm sure Team Mayweather would have called him on it, about as quickly as they were to point out the poor numbers for Cotto-Gomez.

[Horus]

FUN FACTS TO CONSIDER ABOUT P.P.V's and other fighters...
compare to Floyd..

Floyd vs. Hatton = 850,000 Buys= $47 million in pay-per-view revenue.

The fight was the highest-grossing PPV fight ever that didn't feature a heavyweight or a Oscar De La Hoya.


GOOGLE ANY OF THESE FIGHTS AND ALL THESE NUMBERS WILL BE THE OFFICAL NUMBERS


Pacquaio vs. Big Names

Pacquaio vs. Morales 350,000 PPV
Pacquiao vs. Morales II- 355,000 buys
PACQUIAO vs. BARRERA 350,000 PPV
Pacquaio vs. Marquez I 360,000 PPV
Pacquaio vs. MarquezII 400,000 buys

Roy Jones vs. Big Names

Roy Jones Jr vs. Felix Trinidad 500,000 PPV = $25 million
Roy Jones Jr vs. John Ruiz 602,000 PPV = $26.5 million
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver I 302,000 PPV
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver II 382,000 PPV
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver III 402,000 PPV

Felix Trinidad vs. Big Names Besides Oscar:

Felix Trinidad vs. Roy Jones 500,000 PPV
Felix Trinidad vs. Winky Wright 510,000 buys
Felix Trinidad vs. Bernard Hopkins 475,000 buys
Felix Trinidad vs. Ricardo Mayorga 420,000 buys
Felix Trinidad vs. Fernando Vargas 560,000 buys

Bernard Hopkins vs. Big Names Beside's Oscar

Bernard Hopkins vs. Felix Trinidad 475,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor I 370,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor II 410,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Antonio Tarver 330,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Winky Wright 305,000 Buys

Shane Mosley vs. Big Names Beside's Oscar
Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas 420,000 Buys
Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas II 350,000 buys
Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys

Miguel Cotto
Miguel Cotto vs. Shane Mosely 340,000 buys
Miguel Cotto vs. Zab Judah 220,000 Buys

THE REAL POINT...

Floyd fighting a Nobody is almost the equivalent to any fight the 3rd Biggest Name in Boxing (Pacquaio) is fighting in and that is with Big Names



Floyd vs. No Name Fighter with no U.S exposure (T.V):

Floyd vs.Carlos Baldomir 325,000 buys = 16.3 Million

"We're very pleased with Mayweather's PPV performance, especially given that Baldomir had little previous exposure in the US," HBO PPV's Mark Taffet said.

Baldomir's only previous U.S. exposure came in his January upset of Judah to win the welterweight title and his July knockout of Gatti in his first defense.

"These numbers are very reflective of the numbers generated by Oscar when he did not have the well-known name challenger in the other corner, which obviously speaks volumes of Floyd's star power," Goossen said.


Oscar vs. No Names with No U.S Exposure (T.V):

M.A. Gonzalez(1/97) 345,000 buys = $12.1 million
6 fights in the United States before the fight...

Felix Sturm (6/04) 380,000 buys = $19.0 million
This is after Oscar already had 3 Mega Fights over 925,000 P.P.V buys...
Trinidad, Fernando Vargas, Shane Mosley
This also after Oscar already had 4 fights of P.P.V over 550,000 P.P.V buys
Hector Camacho, Ike Quartey, J.C Chavez II, Shane Mosley,

So how do you do only 380,000 after all of that exposure in MEGA FIGHTS...?
And this is Oscar De La Hoya..... So that shows you how much ExposURe in the United States Affect P.P.V sales...

Floyd fighting a Nobody(Baldomir) is almost the equivalent to and better than

Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas II 350,000 buys
Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Antonio Tarver 330,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Winky Wright 305,000 Buys
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver I 302,000 PPV
Miguel Cotto vs. zab Judah 225,000 PPV


and Floyd fighting a marginal Name Like Judah is bigger than all these fights..


Pacquaio vs. Morales 350,000 PPV
PACQUIAO vs. BARRERA 350,000 PPV
Pacquaio vs. Marquez I 360,000 PPV
Morales/Pacquiao III - 350,000 buys
Morales/Pacquiao II - 355,000 buys
Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas II 350,000 buys
Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Antonio Tarver 330,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Winky Wright 305,000 Buys
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver I 302,000 PPV
Miguel Cotto vs. zab Judah 225,000 PPV
Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor I 370,000 Buys







And Judah is barely a marginal Name...
So Floyd vs. Judah = 375,000 buys So you could say that was all Floyd with a Marginal name fighter is better than 2/5 of the most Highest Selling P.P,V EVER not including a HeavyWeight or Oscar..

And if you Say Judah was superstar before the Mayweather Fight how..??

Because What exactly makes Judah a superstar or a big name? that was his first PPV and he had done nothing before that to prove he was a major draw.

There are only a handful of true superstars in the sport. DLH, Trinidad, Hopkins, Jones. Mayweather , and Pacquiao

Judah is and was nowhere near that level before and After. Would a superstar take $100k to fight Cory Spinks fighting in his own backyard..?





So lets put things into perspective when talking about Floyd...

[QUISQUEYA]

Fact of the matter is, plenty of industry insiders have access to these numbers. If Arum was truly inflating the figures, I'm sure Team Mayweather would have called him on it, about as quickly as they were to point out the poor numbers for Cotto-Gomez.

Team Mayweather actually did exactly that after the Mosley fight.

With all due respect, all I've requested is an independent, reliable source. Ya know, the way HBO releases the numbers. Not from the guy who once said "yesterday I was lying, today I'm telling the truth". Or the guy who said "Mayweather is the best fighter in 40 years. The best since Ali".

Sorry, but i don't trust that guy.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

No one cares about him because they know he isn't what is advertised. You can lie and try to persuade people all you want, but a majority of the people that know boxing and arent biased Cotto jizz drinkers know he is ALL HYPE. He beat washed up fighters, and feather fisted fighters like Mosley, Zab, Paulie, Urkal and people like that. If you arent a Cotto Stan, you know he is good, but not as good as they make him seem.

I completely agree with you on this. Besides a few nut huggers on this forum, very few people outside his country know about him. He isn't exciting enough to make a name for him self. The argument that Mayweather is ducking Cotto may be true, but it's because of the lack of money this fight will generate compared to rematches with Hatton and DLH. I know it sucks from a boxing fans standpoint, but money makes the world go round and there's nothing we can do to stop it. So please quit whining kiddies. LOL

[Pullcounter]

fight fans knew that cotto/gomez wasn't going to be competitive and that it was going to be a crappy fight.

[QUISQUEYA]

...and Cotto-Malignaggi did about 100K.

[QUISQUEYA]

fight fans knew that cotto/gomez wasn't going to be competitive and that it was going to be a crappy fight.

Did fight fans expect Mayweather/Baldomir to be competitive?