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  • #21
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    THE PHYSICAL ASPECTS

    Others would have you believe, that Calzaghe's move up in weight against a man as experienced as Hopkins, who has already fought twice at the weight, is foolhardy, but let's have a closer look at the facts.

    Hopkins has fought only twice at light heavyweight; his most recent outing was against Winky Wright, a fleshy career 154 lber! That's about as relevant as Hatton fighting at Light Middleweight against Nate Campbell and then saying he was ‘proven' at the weight.

    Of course, Hopkins has fought a genuine Light Heavyweight former and now current champion in Antonio Tarver. However, the Tarver that beat Clinton Woods and the Tarver who lost to Hopkins that night were two different men, I barely even recognised Tarver as he entered the ring against Woods, so different did he look. Tarver was no longer ring rusty, distracted by filming Rocky Balboa, or losing over 40 pounds in weight to get in the ring. In any case, Joe Calzaghe is an utterly different fighter to Clinton Woods or the often lackadaisical Tarver. To cap it all, Tarver has never been a great fighter, merely an opportunist champion.

    Of course Calzaghe is unproven at the weight, but he has campaigned eight pounds north of the 160 lb limit that Hopkins fought at for his entire career. As a result he won't be ‘bulking up' to make weight, as Hopkins did with Mackie Shilstone, but simply not boiling down to make 168 as he usually does. He will be fresher and healthier than he has ever entered the ring before.

    Finally we come down to the old adage, ‘styles make fights' and the notion that Calzaghe just isn't prepared for what Hopkins is going to bring; for me, this is a faintly ridiculous assertion.

    What precisely does Hopkins have in his well worn bag of tricks that suggests a victory over the Welsh Wizard? For me, not a lot, and bar Joe suddenly becoming overcome with feelings of inadequacy and being intimidated by Bernard at the stare down, a scenario which is as likely as Heather Mills doing backing vocals on a reformed Beatles on tour, I just cannot see what he is going to do to win.

    Much has been made of Bernard's right hand, as being the weapon which could derail Calzaghe, and yes, it is true that Calzaghe throughout his career has been open to the straight right.

    That being the case, it was wild right hooks respectively from Byron Mitchell and Kabary Salem which accounted for the sole knockdowns on his ledger. Hopkins is not noted especially for his right hook, and in fact these days, is noted more for his shots to the hips, holding, mauling and generally spoiling than any punches he throws. I don't think Hopkins stopping Calzaghe is a real concern, as Bernard hasn't knocked out even a decent fellow middleweight, let alone light heavyweight since Carl Daniels in 2002. Trinidad, a blown up welterweight was in 2001. Approaching a decade ago.

    Calzaghe also has a boxing brain on him, and he is going to be well aware that the right hand is the danger shot, and as a southpaw can shove to his right and bring his own left hook or cross to bear. His speed of hand will allow him to keep Hopkins more than busy. The man who came closest to beating Calzaghe, Robin Reid, did indeed possess a good right hand, but Reid was young and in his prime. others who gave him some problems, (Woodhall, Starie), possessed a better workrate than old man ‘Nard has now.

    The closest we have probably seen to recent times to the kind or problems Hopkins will present was the ugly mess Calzaghe got into with Sakio Bika, who should have had a glove on his head he fought so dirty. Calzaghe did get drawn into a brawl, but he emerged the winner by a mile, and, more importantly, knows that Hopkins is too cagey a fighter to get dragged into a similar streetfight with Hopkins. Of course Bika is nowhere near the fighter Hopkins is, but he was also younger, fresher and physically more imposing, and Calzaghe is more focussed in his big fights than he ever is against the likes of Bika.

    Hopkins bluster has people forgetting that he was beaten twice by Jermain Taylor. Now I know, I know, styles make fights, but what did Taylor beat Hopkins with; workrate. What is Calzaghe's possibly greatest asset? Oh yes, workrate.

    And remember, Taylor is hardly the Eveready bunny himself. Remember this is the same Taylor who fought as if Kassim Ouma, and Cory Spinks, had dynamite in their feather-fists. Who gassed against Pavlik, after flattening him, and got flattened himself, and then and lost a rematch. Remember him? Taylor was fighting for breath after two rounds against Ouma, and even at a catchweight could not fight at a pace for 12 hard rounds.

    Yes, Taylor has a different style to Calzaghe; Joe doesn't fight from range by default, but he has a great stick and move game when he wants to. It was really Taylor's willingness to press Hopkins, and the fact he showed him less respect than previous opponents which allowed him to prevail.

    Joe will give Hopkins neither quarter nor respect. Hopkins has to pace himself as carefully as a 90-year-old marathon runner these days; Calzaghe simply won't allow him the time or luxury.

    Against Calzaghe, Hopkins is in against someone who not only has the fitness to fight at a frantic pace for the whole 12 rounds, but has superlative boxing skills, skills which he showed to great effect against the two young pretenders to his throne, Jeff Lacy and Mikkel Kessler, both were soundly outboxed as well as outfought.

    Calzaghe tortured lacy with his jab and lateral movement, and likewise took the initiative away from Kessler by always being one step ahead. He doesn't just stand there whaling on his opponents if he thinks they are a threat.

    What worked against an unfocused, and erratic talent like Tarver, or a defensively minded Winky Wright, will not suffice against a talent like Calzaghe, who is not going to be standing there waiting to lose the fight, but instead will be on Hopkins like white on rice from the first bell.

    Calzaghe will box aggressively from the outset, whilst Hopkins tries to nullify him by mauling and fouling and hitting him on the break, making the fight ugly, and stealing the limelight with the occasional eye-catching flurry, but all the way through it will be Calzaghe who is landing the majority of the punches. It won't be pretty, but it will be Bernard who is labouring for breath and hanging in there at the end, not Joe. Hopkins is tough and rough, but it simply won't be enough, and in an ugly fight Calzaghe will emerge the close, but clear winner.

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    • #22
      Joe should fear the famous Hopkins headbutt, the one that did a number on Winky Wright's eye. There's no punch like it in boxing.

      I agree with Degsy, Tarver would give Hopkins a much tougher fight if they fought today.

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      • #23
        That was a bunch a one sided crap. Why write something like this? sounds like he wants to marry the guy and have his babies! Its not even written as an opinion, reads like hes stating facts (which ok, some of it is)!!

        I think this fight is gonna be close, i m British and i respect Hopkins enough not to come out and say "Joe C is gonna destroy him". The writer sounds like one of the idiots that post on these forums...

        If your gonna be a professional boxing writer why not just do an analysis of the fight rather than say Hopkins is a scary man, hes been stabbed, hes gonna win!

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        • #24
          Originally posted by Sage84 View Post
          That was a bunch a one sided crap. Why write something like this? sounds like he wants to marry the guy and have his babies! Its not even written as an opinion, reads like hes stating facts (which ok, some of it is)!!

          I think this fight is gonna be close, i m British and i respect Hopkins enough not to come out and say "Joe C is gonna destroy him". The writer sounds like one of the idiots that post on these forums...

          If your gonna be a professional boxing writer why not just do an analysis of the fight rather than say Hopkins is a scary man, hes been stabbed, hes gonna win!
          The trouble with the article is that it was taken out of context, the bit that Bigpoppa posted was the first half the bit that I posted was the second half; it was supposed to be written in the style of a trial with each writer treating the facts like a legal argument. To be fair to Bigpoppa, the combined article (which can be found on a British boxing site via google) is too long to post in one go (the half I quoted took two posts)

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          • #25
            I started to read this article thinking it was going to be something insightful, so what Hopkins went to prison? So what he can pull angry faces, I dont give a **** where he honed his skills.

            The article also states about Kessler being a good european level fighter and lacey over rated. Hang on? At the time alot of people were tipping both to beat Calzaghe and they got shown up. Argueable Hopkins two biggest wins were against two fighters who had no place in the middleweight division, at least Calzaghe's wins were against legitimate world champions.

            As for his last two fights Tarver was weight drained and I beleived he woudl walk it (and I am glad Hopkins won) and Wright had no place fighting at that weight. Calzaghe will have no probs with the weight the only thing might be the fact he hasnt gone through the pain to make the 12st limit that maybe his hunger might not be there? I dunno? He knows he has more to lose than hopkins, I imagine that is motivation enough.

            What the whole thing boils down to is.

            1. Can Calzaghe make Hopkins fight for 3 minutes each round thus putting pressure on those 43 year old legs.
            2. Can Hopkins effectively counter Calzaghe enough to win rounds and put him off his stride?
            3. Will Joe get a fair crack of the whip from the Amercian judges and ref?

            The first two are what the fight game is all about and why I cant wiat for the fight. The third, well I jsut hoep Cortez doesnt turn a blind eye to hopkins headbutts, elbows etc and breaks up clinches as first as he did in the hatton fight.... we will see.

            I predcit a points Victory for Joe 116-112

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Degsy View Post
              PT2

              THE PHYSICAL ASPECTS

              Others would have you believe, that Calzaghe's move up in weight against a man as experienced as Hopkins, who has already fought twice at the weight, is foolhardy, but let's have a closer look at the facts.

              Hopkins has fought only twice at light heavyweight; his most recent outing was against Winky Wright, a fleshy career 154 lber! That's about as relevant as Hatton fighting at Light Middleweight against Nate Campbell and then saying he was ?proven' at the weight.

              Of course, Hopkins has fought a genuine Light Heavyweight former and now current champion in Antonio Tarver. However, the Tarver that beat Clinton Woods and the Tarver who lost to Hopkins that night were two different men, I barely even recognised Tarver as he entered the ring against Woods, so different did he look. Tarver was no longer ring rusty, distracted by filming Rocky Balboa, or losing over 40 pounds in weight to get in the ring. In any case, Joe Calzaghe is an utterly different fighter to Clinton Woods or the often lackadaisical Tarver. To cap it all, Tarver has never been a great fighter, merely an opportunist champion.

              Of course Calzaghe is unproven at the weight, but he has campaigned eight pounds north of the 160 lb limit that Hopkins fought at for his entire career. As a result he won't be ?bulking up' to make weight, as Hopkins did with Mackie Shilstone, but simply not boiling down to make 168 as he usually does. He will be fresher and healthier than he has ever entered the ring before.

              Finally we come down to the old adage, ?styles make fights' and the notion that Calzaghe just isn't prepared for what Hopkins is going to bring; for me, this is a faintly ridiculous assertion.

              What precisely does Hopkins have in his well worn bag of tricks that suggests a victory over the Welsh Wizard? For me, not a lot, and bar Joe suddenly becoming overcome with feelings of inadequacy and being intimidated by Bernard at the stare down, a scenario which is as likely as Heather Mills doing backing vocals on a reformed Beatles on tour, I just cannot see what he is going to do to win.

              Much has been made of Bernard's right hand, as being the weapon which could derail Calzaghe, and yes, it is true that Calzaghe throughout his career has been open to the straight right.

              That being the case, it was wild right hooks respectively from Byron Mitchell and Kabary Salem which accounted for the sole knockdowns on his ledger. Hopkins is not noted especially for his right hook, and in fact these days, is noted more for his shots to the hips, holding, mauling and generally spoiling than any punches he throws. I don't think Hopkins stopping Calzaghe is a real concern, as Bernard hasn't knocked out even a decent fellow middleweight, let alone light heavyweight since Carl Daniels in 2002. Trinidad, a blown up welterweight was in 2001. Approaching a decade ago.

              Calzaghe also has a boxing brain on him, and he is going to be well aware that the right hand is the danger shot, and as a southpaw can shove to his right and bring his own left hook or cross to bear. His speed of hand will allow him to keep Hopkins more than busy. The man who came closest to beating Calzaghe, Robin Reid, did indeed possess a good right hand, but Reid was young and in his prime. others who gave him some problems, (Woodhall, Starie), possessed a better workrate than old man ?Nard has now.

              The closest we have probably seen to recent times to the kind or problems Hopkins will present was the ugly mess Calzaghe got into with Sakio Bika, who should have had a glove on his head he fought so dirty. Calzaghe did get drawn into a brawl, but he emerged the winner by a mile, and, more importantly, knows that Hopkins is too cagey a fighter to get dragged into a similar streetfight with Hopkins. Of course Bika is nowhere near the fighter Hopkins is, but he was also younger, fresher and physically more imposing, and Calzaghe is more focussed in his big fights than he ever is against the likes of Bika.

              Hopkins bluster has people forgetting that he was beaten twice by Jermain Taylor. Now I know, I know, styles make fights, but what did Taylor beat Hopkins with; workrate. What is Calzaghe's possibly greatest asset? Oh yes, workrate.

              And remember, Taylor is hardly the Eveready bunny himself. Remember this is the same Taylor who fought as if Kassim Ouma, and Cory Spinks, had dynamite in their feather-fists. Who gassed against Pavlik, after flattening him, and got flattened himself, and then and lost a rematch. Remember him? Taylor was fighting for breath after two rounds against Ouma, and even at a catchweight could not fight at a pace for 12 hard rounds.

              Yes, Taylor has a different style to Calzaghe; Joe doesn't fight from range by default, but he has a great stick and move game when he wants to. It was really Taylor's willingness to press Hopkins, and the fact he showed him less respect than previous opponents which allowed him to prevail.

              Joe will give Hopkins neither quarter nor respect. Hopkins has to pace himself as carefully as a 90-year-old marathon runner these days; Calzaghe simply won't allow him the time or luxury.

              Against Calzaghe, Hopkins is in against someone who not only has the fitness to fight at a frantic pace for the whole 12 rounds, but has superlative boxing skills, skills which he showed to great effect against the two young pretenders to his throne, Jeff Lacy and Mikkel Kessler, both were soundly outboxed as well as outfought.

              Calzaghe tortured lacy with his jab and lateral movement, and likewise took the initiative away from Kessler by always being one step ahead. He doesn't just stand there whaling on his opponents if he thinks they are a threat.

              What worked against an unfocused, and erratic talent like Tarver, or a defensively minded Winky Wright, will not suffice against a talent like Calzaghe, who is not going to be standing there waiting to lose the fight, but instead will be on Hopkins like white on rice from the first bell.

              Calzaghe will box aggressively from the outset, whilst Hopkins tries to nullify him by mauling and fouling and hitting him on the break, making the fight ugly, and stealing the limelight with the occasional eye-catching flurry, but all the way through it will be Calzaghe who is landing the majority of the punches. It won't be pretty, but it will be Bernard who is labouring for breath and hanging in there at the end, not Joe. Hopkins is tough and rough, but it simply won't be enough, and in an ugly fight Calzaghe will emerge the close, but clear winner.
              Nice post. I agree. The key is this: throughout his career Joe Calzaghe has consistently demonstrated his ability to outbox AND outfight his opponents, often in the same fight.
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              Last edited by abadger; 03-20-2011, 11:24 PM.

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              • #27
                Hello guys, thanks for reading the article, even though some felt it was Hopkins heavy. Let me explain.

                I live and am based in the UK. For nearly 10-years I watched Joe Calzaghe, who I have briefly met in the past and found to bre a very nice guy with a lot of good things to say. With that said he bored me near to tears for nearly a decade. For every Sheika, the highpoint of his career at one point, we had Tocker Pudwell's and 'Rapid Fire' McIntyre. Even guys like Brewer and Mitchell were Ottke retreads.

                Finally Joe beats two guys of note and he is up there with the likes of Jimmy Wilde and Lennox Lewis? Lacy and Kesser were a good start, but they were just that. They were the types of guys he should have faced years ago. You may say that he was not in a position to take those type of guys on but he did not put himself into position to take better names. For all the pros and cons Joe has just got his biggest fight to date, and did so by going to America, do the math, he does it earlier in his career he has a lot of big fights. Lacy was a novice pro and Kessler is 1-2 and throws few lefts hooks off the 1-2, Kessler was a predictable win for Joe.

                I wrote the piece highlighting Hopkins because here on the UK side of things all we hear is Calzaghe, I thought it would be good to combine a potted history of Hopkins with a second part giving a styles breakdown, again focussed on Hopkins.

                If Joe wins great, it will be tinged with the question of: "Why not have done this sooner Joe? Why start your career with only a few fights left to go and no one left to fight at LH?" If Hopkins wins, well Joe will have been defeated by a 43 year old man, and the first real challenge met.

                This is not a case of either/or, as stated Joe's biggest worry early in his career was his mortgage, at least he had that luxury. It is hardly fighting to survive is it?

                Sorry if any Joe fans felt slighted by the piece, I've done positive stuff on Joe before, pre-Lacy (although I picked Jeff I wrote on what a gentleman Joe had been in the gym interviews pre-fight). Pre-Kessler I went for Joe. I'd say that makes me as objective as possible as the one side negates the other.

                I also went for Taylor over Hopkins, twice, although I went for Hopkins over Tito, Tarver and Wright. So I think I can say that I've had a mixed time following these two guys. I just feel Joe is in for a surprise and wrote that from the British end.

                Cheers guys.

                Ps LOL I'm no lawyer I know a few barristers but I've not passed the bar myself. The British piece was a knockabout head-to-head with myself and another British writer. This Boxingscene piece was a longer and more considered article on the fight. If it was a forum post it would take up more than a few strands!

                Enjoy the fight guys, have a good one
                Last edited by Neckodeemus; 04-18-2008, 06:49 AM. Reason: Spellers

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                • #28
                  Deggsy



                  GReat article

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                  • #29
                    No need for Joe to fear him. Just get a ****in wake up call and realize winnin the fight won't be easy.

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                    • #30
                      Another fanboy article.

                      This is not serious journalism. There's no analysis of boxing. It's just a long statement of "Calzaghe is scurred 'cause he's from Europe and Hopkins is from the hood."

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