Better Inside Fighter: Cotto vs Mayweather (poll) Credit to Piggu

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Hatton is not Mayweather's size nor is he in his weight class. Cotto is actually bigger than Mayweather and would be the best opponents that he has faced to date, which is why Mayweather is not in a hurry to take the fight. Cotto is a brutal body puncher that has the perfect style to beat him, im actually favoring Cotto in that fight. (If they fight)

Right! Hatton has always been heavier than Mayweather! Obviously he is not in the sme weight class!

Cotto is in yet another weight class with his 10+ extra pounds over Mayweather.

Cotto has not the perfect style to beat Myweather AT ALL, he does not throw enough punches and does not have speed in amounts to bother Mayweather.

Considering Mayweather is hard to hit to the body, and he NEVER showed any effect form bodyshots, Cotto better have something else ready for him. I think he is smart enough to do more than body shots to the table, you dont seem to think its necessary.

Good luck favoring Cotto, unless Mayweather looks like **** against Oscar, I will be happy to take your bet, since you favor Cotto, you will be happy to give me Mayweather as underdog, right?

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If Hatton is an elite fighter, why did absolutely no one but yellow teethed Englishmen think he had a shot in hell of winning the fight? You think a fighter who struggles with Collazo, Maussa, and Urango is elite? Be serious...

How is Cotto elite then? if he has been floored by Torres, out on his feet against Corley, resorted to lowblows to slowdown Judah (nothing against it, but if he is so elite, he wouldnt have needed that), struggled to decision a 36 year old lightweight.

And Hatton was the ring champ of his division, Cotto plays around wih paper belts so far.

Mind, I actually like Cotto, but you can write ridiculous comments like yours on Hatton about almost any fighter.

Also, how the **** did Hatton struggle against Maussa?!?!

[BennyST]

Obviously you know very little about the sport or else you would actually try to argue my points. You get red karma when people can't come up with a rebuttal to facts. The poll just shows people know very little about boxing on here and we have a lot of Mayweather nuthuggers.

Are you trying to tell me if Mayweather and Cotto went toe-to-toe, Mayweather would get the better of Cotto? Give me a break.

Going toe to toe is not in-fighting. I think many people are mistaking pressure fighting for in-fighting. Cotto is a mid-range pressure fighter and oes not actually work that much inside. An inside fighter will be smothering punches and tying up arms while shooting off his own short inside punches and using defense to make the opponent miss which then leaves him wide open for more short sharp inside counters. Going to the body does not mean you're an inside fighter...

Inside fighting is just that, inside the punch range of a fighter where most punches can't get off. Cotto doesn't fight like that. Mayweather, contrary to what a lot of folks here seem to believe, does fight a lot of his fights on the inside. He actually fought a large amount of his fights at the lower weights on the inside. The majority of his effective scoring comes from his counter punching and his most effective counter punching comes when he is in close making someone miss with his defense then using his combinations, on the inside, to greatest effect!

[BennyST]

There is just know way that you can take a defensive minded fighter that rarely fights on the inside, and say that he is a better inside fighter than the best body puncher in the game.

A defensive based fighter and a body puncher do not = classic boxer and inside fighter. Mayweather fights inside a lot. Most of his work is done on the inside and only if you haven't actually looked at all of his fights could you say otherwise. Mayweather can box well, very well, but he is still more effective when he fights inside. Cotto punching to the body is not being inside the pocket and smothering, using defense, counter punching and tying up arms, using elbows, shoulders, etc etc to fight. That is in-fighting, not what Cotto does.

The thing is Mayweather is a counter puncher. The only way to be effective as a counter puncher is to be punched at! Unless he is punched at he will not fire off that many shots and will not be particularly effective. His best counter-punching work comes through his extraordinary defense which sets up counter shots on the inside. To say Mayweather 'rarely fights on the inside' just means you haven't watched enough of his fights because most of his fights are actually won on the inside. He uses his boxing when he can or when he needs to but at his most effective weight he was more of an in-fighter than Cotto has ever been.

[rebmogul]

Is this a joke? Where was Mayweather's inside fighting against DLH or anyone who REALLY has power? If you think Baldomir has power, you're a joke and you need to educated yourself on the great sport of boxing. Mayweather's best assets are his speed and boxing ability. If he was a better inside fighter than Cotto, don't you think he would actually try and stay on the inside and not run like he always does? Use a little plain and basic common sense, will ya?

pbf didn't fight inside with dlh because he didn't need to and dlh couldn't make him. did you see oscar even attempt to fight floyd inside? how about those WEAK ASS slaps he gave floyd to the body when he had him on the tropes in the second round? did it really look to you like oscar was going for the kill? come on.....

even though dlh is 20 plus lbs bigger, they were in a small ring with small gloves and fighting in las vegas (oscar's town) on cinco de mayo.
this point speaks far more to the sorriness of oscar.

would you fight inside and give the other bigger, stronger, harder punching fighter a chance when you can just move arpoiund the ring, give angles and pick him apart at will. did you even watch the fight?

[Mickey Gomez]

Floyd fights in the pocket better than anyone else.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Right! Hatton has always been heavier than Mayweather! Obviously he is not in the sme weight class!

Cotto is in yet another weight class with his 10+ extra pounds over Mayweather.

Cotto has not the perfect style to beat Myweather AT ALL, he does not throw enough punches and does not have speed in amounts to bother Mayweather.

Hatton has never been heavier than Mayweather unless you are talking about outside the ring when he is not training. You need to learn the fighters natural sizes and not just look at how big they bolloon up in between fights. Mayweather has the bigger frame and is obviously stronger at welterweight. This is how i know, Hatton went up to welter and could not handle those bigger opponents, Mayweather went up and handled them very well, in fact he went all the way up to junior middleweight and handled Oscar's size pretty well too so yes, he was alot stronger than Hatton. Also, Cotto throws enough punches and the punches that does land, they have great effect. Look at all of the good pure boxers that he has faced, Mallinaggi (140lb champ), Quintana (welterweight champ) ect, so i think he knows what he is doing.

Considering Mayweather is hard to hit to the body, and he NEVER showed any effect form bodyshots, Cotto better have something else ready for him. I think he is smart enough to do more than body shots to the table, you dont seem to think its necessary.

Like Mayweather, Cotto also has the ability to adjust to his opponents style. I see him (like Castillio) stepping up the pressure in the later rounds and bringing educated pressure. Like i have said before, when Mayweather is in that defensive shell, he is vulnerable for right hands and those are one of Cotto's biggest weapons. I know that styles makes fights, but i seen that Castillio was able to get to Mayweathers body at will. What do you think a bigger, more tecnically polished, better, and more devestating body puncher would do?

Good luck favoring Cotto, unless Mayweather looks like **** against Oscar, I will be happy to take your bet, since you favor Cotto, you will be happy to give me Mayweather as underdog, right?

I will be glad to take your points from you. And no, you cant have odds..lol. As confident as i am of Cottos beating Mayweather, its just not fair for you to have odds when Maweather will most likley be the betting favorite going in.

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Floyd fights in the pocket better than anyone else.

yes he does....

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Hatton has never been heavier than Mayweather unless you are talking about outside the ring when he is not training. You need to learn the fighters natural sizes and not just look at how big they bolloon up in between fights. Mayweather has the bigger frame and is obviously stronger at welterweight. This is how i know, Hatton went up to welter and could not handle those bigger opponents, Mayweather went up and handled them very well, in fact he went all the way up to junior middleweight and handled Oscar's size pretty well too so yes, he was alot stronger than Hatton. Also, Cotto throws enough punches and the punches that does land, they have great effect. Look at all of the good pure boxers that he has faced, Mallinaggi (140lb champ), Quintana (welterweight champ) ect, so i think he knows what he is doing.

Cottos punches have great effect? Floyds do not?

THe fact that hes faced Malinaggi and Quintana.. is HARDLY saying.. so he can DEFINITELY handle floyd... thats WAY off... being able to handle one fighter, is one thing.. comparing them to Floyd is another...

Like Mayweather, Cotto also has the ability to adjust to his opponents style. I see him (like Castillio) stepping up the pressure in the later rounds and bringing educated pressure. Like i have said before, when Mayweather is in that defensive shell, he is vulnerable for right hands and those are one of Cotto's biggest weapons. I know that styles makes fights, but i seen that Castillio was able to get to Mayweathers body at will. What do you think a bigger, more tecnically polished, better, and more devestating body puncher would do?

Cotto has the ability to adjust to his opponents style...? Theres no possible way he does that better than Floyd... Floyds made an entire career out of adjusting to every single opponents style and switching his game plan... and winning

When floyd is in his defensive shell.. hes not vulnerable for a right hand? He uses his shoulder and lateral twist to deflect your right hand... hes vulnerable for a left hook, when hes going up and down laterally.. but you have to have PERFECT timing.. or your gonna get your head countered off.. the only way hes vulnerable for a right hand.. if its to the side of the body.. when hes in his shell... but you do that.. and you get countered again..

When floyd fought Castillo.. he was 24 years old.. and he broke his hand in that fight.. you can tell at the end of his fight.. he was grimmacing just taking the glove off... He showed in the 2nd fight.. he can handle that style perfectly.. and saying Cotto is more polished than Castillo, is a bit much.. there pretty even in my book.. Prime Castillo is a HELL of a fighter...

Also, Castillo going to mayweathers body for 24 rounds... proved... pretty much nothing.. if you go in there with just that gameplan.. your going to LOSE.

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Hatton has never been heavier than Mayweather unless you are talking about outside the ring when he is not training. You need to learn the fighters natural sizes and not just look at how big they bolloon up in between fights. Mayweather has the bigger frame and is obviously stronger at welterweight. This is how i know, Hatton went up to welter and could not handle those bigger opponents, Mayweather went up and handled them very well, in fact he went all the way up to junior middleweight and handled Oscar's size pretty well too so yes, he was alot stronger than Hatton. Also, Cotto throws enough punches and the punches that does land, they have great effect. Look at all of the good pure boxers that he has faced, Mallinaggi (140lb champ), Quintana (welterweight champ) ect, so i think he knows what he is doing.

I dont need to learn ****. You need to know that Hatton through his career was ALWAYS heavier on fight night than Mayweather ever was on fight night. It is not surprising at all, since Mayweather started at 130, and Hatton at 140. Mayweather's frame is so bih that he could make 130 until age 24 (almost 25).

Malignaggi and Quintana are simply not on the same planet as Mayweather.

Like Mayweather, Cotto also has the ability to adjust to his opponents style. I see him (like Castillio) stepping up the pressure in the later rounds and bringing educated pressure. Like i have said before, when Mayweather is in that defensive shell, he is vulnerable for right hands and those are one of Cotto's biggest weapons. I know that styles makes fights, but i seen that Castillio was able to get to Mayweathers body at will. What do you think a bigger, more tecnically polished, better, and more devestating body puncher would do?

EDIT: Cotto more technically polished than Castillo? Castillo in his prime, was one of the best active inside fighters of that time, together with Hopkins, and Toney.

Mayweather is not vulnerable to right hands at all. If anything that's the easiest punch to take away with his defense. the punches we have seen landing flush on him have been looping lefts.

Castillo never got close to hurting a 25 year old Mayweather (and he defintiely did not get to his body "at will"... LOL), who came in the ring weighing less than 140 pounds. Mayweather NEVER showed he felt any of the few bodyshots he's taken from anyone, again good luck with that.

I will be glad to take your points from you. And no, you cant have odds..lol. As confident as i am of Cottos beating Mayweather, its just not fair for you to have odds when Maweather will most likley be the betting favorite going in.

Then, you are not putting your money where your keyboard is... not so confindent, huh?