Does anyone think that Joan Guzman's type of running against Soto was impressive?

[Fox McCloud]

Only because he was able to **** around, and show off that he was just ****ing around with Soto.

Someone like Cory Spinks or Floyd Mayweather can sometimes disguise their running, but usually the judges still pick up on it subconsciously.

All the judges picked up on Guzman's running, but he was doing it to **** around with Soto.

I guess the relevant comparison would be a fighter who shells up and blocks a bunch of punches... the judges will likely score that part of the round to the aggressor, because he is the aggressor. But when Whitaker slipped about 12 De La Hoya punches in a row, he got major props for ****ing around with his opponent.

Does anyone kind of see this the same way?

[Run]

What's impressive is his combination of speed, skill, coordination and pure athletic ability. I mean he just outclasses everyone.

His hands are as fast as anyone in boxing.



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[Run]

Yeah what makes his fighting style.......not obnoxious is the simple fact that he trades punches in the pocket and makes people miss.

Much like Floyd does.



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[ferocity]

I thought the fight was very close fight. And in all honesty Guzman, Mayweather, Spinks, all run. Why Guzman isn't more popular i don't know but its not because of his boxing skills.

[Mr. Ryan]

Guzman moved just enough to offset Soto's activity. I don't consider what Guzman did as running because he was still landing very effectively. He kept Soto turning and by the end of the second round, you could already see Soto starting to concede that he wasn't going to be able to sustain an attack with Guzman's speed and movement.

Running would be what Derrick Gainer did against Juan Manuel Marquez.

[Fox McCloud]

I thought the fight was very close fight. And in all honesty Guzman, Mayweather, Spinks, all run. Why Guzman isn't more popular i don't know but its not because of his boxing skills.

Ferocity, to be honest... I don't really understand your scoring philosophy.

I know you don't like runners, but when one fighter jabs and moves, and the flat-footed aggressor swings and hits air time and again, I don't know how you can NOT give the fight to the "runner" if he is landing more punches that are effective.

As ineffective as a flicker jab is, it is more effective than a swing and a miss strike by a power puncher.

It's not like Guzman was kicking Soto's ass, at all, but in most of the rounds, Soto wasn't hitting much other than air, and even though Guzman's punches aren't powerful, the number of them were able to overwhelm the effectiveness of the very few punches Soto landed.

That's just my opinion on why I didn't think the fight was that close.

[Fox McCloud]

Guzman moved just enough to offset Soto's activity. I don't consider what Guzman did as running because he was still landing very effectively. He kept Soto turning and by the end of the second round, you could already see Soto starting to concede that he wasn't going to be able to sustain an attack with Guzman's speed and movement.

Running would be what Derrick Gainer did against Juan Manuel Marquez.

In the late rounds, he was running... not exactly just moving around to completely avoid punishment, but the circling of the ring constantly, coupled with the fact that he was more interested in showing off than landing punches in those later rounds does classify it is as running IMO.

In one round, he circled to one side of the ring, and then switched his stance, switched back and then started circling again... that is what I mean by he was just ****ing around to show off. He really wasn't being effective at all in those rounds, so I consider that running.

Running doesn't always mean scared of getting hit though.

[ferocity]

Guzman moved just enough to offset Soto's activity. I don't consider what Guzman did as running because he was still landing very effectively. He kept Soto turning and by the end of the second round, you could already see Soto starting to concede that he wasn't going to be able to sustain an attack with Guzman's speed and movement.

Running would be what Derrick Gainer did against Juan Manuel Marquez.

Or the round where Soto trapped Guzman against the ropes punchs him then Guzman turns his back to Soto then spins out of the ropes and runs, yes, runs across the ring. At least Mayweather and Spinks jog or skip, lol.

Asain, you got not power behind your punch. Nothing but an arm punch..whos training you..tell them you want your money back .

[ferocity]

Ferocity, to be honest... I don't really understand your scoring philosophy.

I know you don't like runners, but when one fighter jabs and moves, and the flat-footed aggressor swings and hits air time and again, I don't know how you can NOT give the fight to the "runner" if he is landing more punches that are effective.

As ineffective as a flicker jab is, it is more effective than a swing and a miss strike by a power puncher.

It's not like Guzman was kicking Soto's ass, at all, but in most of the rounds, Soto wasn't hitting much other than air, and even though Guzman's punches aren't powerful, the number of them were able to overwhelm the effectiveness of the very few punches Soto landed.

That's just my opinion on why I didn't think the fight was that close.

If air is all you saw Soto hitting then i don't understand your way of watching a fight.

Todays judging is the era of the boxer, you can run, run and punch once in a while and people like you still give you the round.

Yet, a fighter that lands more meaninfull punchs and is actually trying to make the fight is getting points deducted because his opponet can sometimes make the puncher miss no. Soto showed great technique against Guzman, you having Casamayor as an avatar shows who you side with.

Mayweather has made is ok, to be a runner. Guy throws 1 punch at a time and may throw 3 punchs a round and still wins? LMAO@!1

[Mr. Ryan]

Or the round where Soto trapped Guzman against the ropes punchs him then Guzman turns his back to Soto then spins out of the ropes and runs, yes, runs across the ring. At least Mayweather and Spinks jog or skip, lol.

Asain, you got not power behind your punch. Nothing but an arm punch..whos training you..tell them you want your money back .

Guzman was moving to find the geography he wanted. Guzman knew that fighting off the ropes wasn't his game and that Soto couldn't beat him in the middle of the ring.

That particular punch is a jab and is part of a flurry that I threw specifically for the picture my girlfriend wanted to take. I can air a dude out, thanks for the advice though. It was a Mexican dude who taught me how to fight.