Roy Jones vs. Felix Trinidad: Then and Now

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By Brent Matteo Alderson - A lot has changed in the world since the time that Felix Trinidad and Roy Jones had first been tentatively scheduled to fight. It was early 2001, and Roy Jones was still looking for an opponent who could test him and his perceived invincibility. And after successfully unifying the linear welterweight title, Felix Trinidad moved up to 154 pounds in 2000 and went through two young undefeated Olympians, Fernando Vargas and David Reid, like a hot knife through butter. Then proceeded to moved up to middleweight where he impressively blitzkrieged WBA champ William Joppy in five rounds.

Even though there weren’t any contracts or concrete plans for the match everyone knew that it was suppose to happen. Tito and Jones graced the cover of boxing magazines and experts debated if Trinidad’s genuine greatness could test Jones’s surreal athletic ability. Even Seth Abraham, then President of HBO sports commented, “We [HBO] have our Jumbo Jets and we know where we want to land them!” [details]

[Greatwhitehope]

Very interesting article, the part about the winner still landing one more mega fight is interesting.
Here are my possible scenario's:
if
B-Hop loses to Calzaghe, Jones loses to Trinidad then Trinidad could fight DLH and Jones and B-Hop could have a re match and it could be promoted as the two salvaging some pride after losing big fights.

or

Jones wins, Calzaghe wins, the two fight. Trinidad would probably retire again unless he really thought he still had something to give he might fight Winky.

or

Jones wins and B-hop wins, the two fight for the titles, would be a great way for them to both retire.

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By Brent Matteo Alderson - A lot has changed in the world since the time that Felix Trinidad and Roy Jones had first been tentatively scheduled to fight. It was early 2001, and Roy Jones was still looking for an opponent who could test him and his perceived invincibility. And after successfully unifying the linear welterweight title, Felix Trinidad moved up to 154 pounds in 2000 and went through two young undefeated Olympians, Fernando Vargas and David Reid, like a hot knife through butter. Then proceeded to moved up to middleweight where he impressively blitzkrieged WBA champ William Joppy in five rounds.

Even though there weren’t any contracts or concrete plans for the match everyone knew that it was suppose to happen. Tito and Jones graced the cover of boxing magazines and experts debated if Trinidad’s genuine greatness could test Jones’s surreal athletic ability. Even Seth Abraham, then President of HBO sports commented, “We [HBO] have our Jumbo Jets and we know where we want to land them!” [details]

The bold is where everyone should realize it's not worth reading on. Tito did not “unify” anything. De La Hoya was the one and only welterweight champion having beaten Pernell Whitaker. Tito became the champion that night (kinda). Oscar was the champion until that night. Before that Tito was wearing a piece of paper.

[pelonxsoldier28]

There Should Have Been A Rematch Between Tito And De La Hoya In The First Place. De La Hoya Was Robbed, There Was No Reason Not To Have A Rematch.

[robjr]

Very interesting article, the part about the winner still landing one more mega fight is interesting.
Here are my possible scenario's:
if
B-Hop loses to Calzaghe, Jones loses to Trinidad then Trinidad could fight DLH and Jones and B-Hop could have a re match and it could be promoted as the two salvaging some pride after losing big fights.

or

Jones wins, Calzaghe wins, the two fight. Trinidad would probably retire again unless he really thought he still had something to give he might fight Winky.

or

Jones wins and B-hop wins, the two fight for the titles, would be a great way for them to both retire.

You actually think Bernard or Joe will fight Roy?? It seems Joe dont want any part of it.. and bernard and roy cant seem to come to terms..

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The bold is where everyone should realize it's not worth reading on. Tito did not “unify” anything. De La Hoya was the one and only welterweight champion having beaten Pernell Whitaker. Tito became the champion that night (kinda). Oscar was the champion until that night. Before that Tito was wearing a piece of paper.

But at the same time a lot of people Whitaker beat De La Hoya.

[MatteoAlderson]

Need to learn about lineage

The bold is where everyone should realize it's not worth reading on. Tito did not “unify” anything. De La Hoya was the one and only welterweight champion having beaten Pernell Whitaker. Tito became the champion that night (kinda). Oscar was the champion until that night. Before that Tito was wearing a piece of paper.

Boxing Guy: A couple of things. Officially Trinidad won the fight with De La Hoya. Three professional Judges and a small percentage of the press had Trinidad winning the fight. You have to go by the official decision because if you don't then you should consider Jeff Fenech a 4 time world champ, you wouldn't recognize Jack Sharkey's HW championship, and Henry Armstrong would have had a title at middleweight. It doesn't work like that you have to respect the offiicial decision just like the sports book. And anyways if you want to debate decisions, Oscar's fight with Sweat Pea could have gone either way, easily.
Secondly: Yah Whitaker had beaten McGirt who had beaten Blocker who had beaten Honeygan who had beaten Donald Curry for the undisputed championship, but before that the lineage had been disrupted when Sugar Ray Leonard retired. I believe in heavyweight lineage, but I think Trinidad's reign was impressive enought to merit a partial claim to the title. It was more impressive than Sweat Pea's 147 pound reign. Oba Carr 36-0 Yori Boy 56-0 Camacho-60 something and two.[/B]

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Boxing Guy: A couple of things. Officially Trinidad won the fight with De La Hoya. Three professional Judges and a small percentage of the press had Trinidad winning the fight. You have to go by the official decision because if you don't then you should consider Jeff Fenech a 4 time world champ, you wouldn't recognize Jack Sharkey's HW championship, and Henry Armstrong would have had a title at middleweight. It doesn't work like that you have to respect the offiicial decision just like the sports book. And anyways if you want to debate decisions, Oscar's fight with Sweat Pea could have gone either way, easily.
Secondly: Yah Whitaker had beaten McGirt who had beaten Blocker who had beaten Honeygan who had beaten Donald Curry for the undisputed championship, but before that the lineage had been disrupted when Sugar Ray Leonard retired. I believe in heavyweight lineage, but I think Trinidad's reign was impressive enought to merit a partial claim to the title. It was more impressive than Sweat Pea's 147 pound reign. Oba Carr 36-0 Yori Boy 56-0 Camacho-60 something and two.[/B]

I absolutely go by the official decision, and express my disappointment with it with a kinda. Two lines below, I write Tito became champion that night.

Since I dont want to debate decisions I won't debate the Pea-Oscar decision either, which was a bit further from highway robbery than the Oscar-Tito, but still very controversial, and definitely more annoying to me since I care more about Pea then Tito and Oscar.

Tito had a paper belt until he beat Oscar. Did he have an outstanding record while defending it? YES. Did that have ANYTHING to do with being the welterweight champion of the world? NO. In the past Tito would have not had a belt (Maybe some NABF in the 70s?).

Donald Curry “unified the linear title” when he beat McCrory. After that the lineage is clear and undebatable, until Tito moves up to 154.

Out of curiosity why do you believe in HW lineage and not in WW lineage?

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But at the same time a lot of people Whitaker beat De La Hoya.

Including me, you can throw a (kinda) for that one too.

But Oscar-Tito was much easier to score than Pea-Oscar.