To those PBF fans who say "Cotto barely beat SSM"

[NAPO]

i think everybody needs to see from the user TRUTH his quote sig.

[Addison]

And DLH was not subpar? I watch Oscar in either of his fights with Mosley and he's not anywhere close to what he used to be now.

No, De La Hoya was not subpar and nobody said anything about that being the case at the time.

Perhaps you should give some examples or detail..


It was obvious Mosley had poor timing, reflexes, ect. OBVIOUS.

That's what we're talking about here. Visible issues. Visible.

[Sweet Pea 50]

I hope you're not seriously suggesting that Floyd knocks out Shane. Please tell me that's not what you're saying.

What, did I stutter?
If I think he can put down Cotto, then what the hell, he can put down Mose.

[TopDawg]

Cotto did barely beat SSM, and it could have easily gone the other way. Cotto really didn't do a whole lot the last 3 rounds of the fight and had trouble with Mosley thoroughout the fight. Cotto nver really could solve ssm.

[Mozza]

No, De La Hoya was not subpar and nobody said anything about that being the case at the time.

Perhaps you should give some examples or detail..


It was obvious Mosley had poor timing, reflexes, ect. OBVIOUS.

That's what we're talking about here. Visible issues. Visible.

I think the difference was that against Mayweather people thought De La Hoya could have done more to win the fight but didn't have enough left whereas against Cotto, Mosley did have enough left but the intangibles on the night worked against him and on another evening there could have been a different outcome.

[Addison]

Cotto did barely beat SSM, and it could have easily gone the other way. Cotto really didn't do a whole lot the last 3 rounds of the fight and had trouble with Mosley thoroughout the fight. Cotto nver really could solve ssm.

Ring magazine scored it 115-114 Mosley from ringside.

[Addison]

I think the difference was that against Mayweather people thought De La Hoya could have done more to win the fight but didn't have enough left whereas against Cotto, Mosley did have enough left but the intangibles on the night worked against him and on another evening there could have been a different outcome.

I've heard this talk about De La Hoya not having enough left, most notably from Ricky Hatton. I think that was a polite way of saying Oscar couldn't close the show - but not because of fatigue or ring-wear. De La Hoya was getting lanced by Floyd's right hands. De La Hoya was confused by Mayweather's offensive assault.

Oscar was in tremendous shape and never looked otherwise. He was getting punched in the face by a faster, more skilled fighter. That's it.

[Fox McCloud]

I personally see those victories as equal... roughly, but for practical purposes, I don't give one the nod over the other. Both did enough to win against a faded champion.

I think Oscar and Shane can both still do some damage in their future fights, but they clearly are not at the top of the sport anymore.

[Allucard]

Both Cotto and PBF recently stepped in the ring with "has-been" champions. The margin at which both Cotto and PBF victored over these former champions is very similar; by a small margin. Although this is the case, many of you mention that Cotto was barely able to beat a "has-been" champion in SSM but fail to mention the same concerning PBF over DLH? Many of you also fail to admit that Cotto's win over SSM is more significant than PBF over DLH. Comparing the two opposing fighters (DLH and SSM) SSM has had the more significant career as of late, especially when DLH has not won a significant fight in over 4 years, and SSM is 5-1 in his last 6 fights(including the loss to cotto). One has to admit that SSM is a more credible opponent at this point in his career, if you can't see that, you are blind and biased.

You're saying it's exactly the same beating Oscar de la Hoya with a 4 year difference, fighting for the first time at 154 (PBF started at 130 i remember you), with ring and gloves choosen by Hoya and Cotto beating Shane Mosaley with an almost 10 year difference and 9 month layoff?

How do you feel when you look at the mirror? You just didn't know this or you are just plain ******? I bet you knew yet you felt the need to come in here comparing those fights WITH NO MENTION TO THE IMPORTANT DIFFERENCES ABOVE. Why is that?

[Mozza]

I've heard this talk about De La Hoya not having enough left, most notably from Ricky Hatton. I think that was a polite way of saying Oscar couldn't close the show - but not because of fatigue or ring-wear. De La Hoya was getting lanced by Floyd's right hands. De La Hoya was confused by Mayweather's offensive assault.

Oscar was in tremendous shape and never looked otherwise. He was getting punched in the face by a faster, more skilled fighter. That's it.

I'm not entirely convinced that there was a massive discrepancy in skills between Mayweather and De La Hoya but essentially I agree with what you are saying which is that Mayweather was always going to win the fight but that was not the case with Cotto and Mosley.