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  • I had Mayweather winning 118-110. Pac only won Rounds 4 and 6.

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    • Holy mother off shit this thread is still ongoing? I'll be brutally honest I never really liked Mayweather Jr given his persona or some off his fanbase in the past, I acknowledge his accomplishments/record and training dedication...

      That being said I was watching this fight live at home I remembered seeing it and was hoping Pacquiao would have won at the time but in the end as the fight progressed I knew that was not going to happen because off what we witnessed happening in the bout...

      In the end He lost and PBF won that's just reality it is what it is...

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      • Originally posted by BritishBoxing92 View Post
        Holy mother off shit this thread is still ongoing? I'll be brutally honest I never really liked Mayweather Jr given his persona or some off his fanbase in the past, I acknowledge his accomplishments/record and training dedication...

        That being said I was watching this fight live at home I remembered seeing it and was hoping Pacquiao would have won at the time but in the end as the fight progressed I knew that was not going to happen because off what we witnessed happening in the bout...

        In the end He lost and PBF won that's just reality it is what it is...
        Agreed, but in slo motion, if you squint and go into ******* mode, well, we PAC can KO China, Russia, the USA, with one Funch(punch)

        As a guy who spent about a year working in Manila I encountered a lot of crazy chit.

        My driver****for foreigners) always had a pistol on him.
        He was shocked at my inability to understand how much I failed to understand about his country.

        To me, it was like Tijuana, but way less dangerous.

        Spoon23 is gone, his epic thread I helped create. He couldn't even ask proper direct questions. Rational people stayed outta this insidious thread, which provides insight into a tormented Filipino mind.

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        • Originally posted by Zaroku View Post
          Agreed, but in slo motion, if you squint and go into ******* mode, well, we PAC can KO China, Russia, the USA, with one Funch(punch)

          As a guy who spent about a year working in Manila I encountered a lot of crazy chit.

          My driver****for foreigners) always had a pistol on him.
          He was shocked at my inability to understand how much I failed to understand about his country.

          To me, it was like Tijuana, but way less dangerous.

          Spoon23 is gone, his epic thread I helped create. He couldn’t even ask proper direct questions. Rational people stayed outta this insidious thread, which provides insight into a tormented Filipino mind.
          Hey Zaroku, still around I see! So Spoon23 is gone?

          Well, his thread continues!




          As for the fight, you think that Nevada was going to give the fight to their home town guy or Manny? Just look at the scoring of the first Bradley fight. No way that would have happened to Floyd! Manny always had to do more than was required while Floyd didn't need to as he is the Nevada Golden Nugget.

          The cards were stacked against Manny.

          Floyd wants an illegal IV? Sure, no problem!

          Manny wants legal pain killer for his torn rotator? No way!


          Go watch round 2 and 3 of the fight. I remember a Floyd fan stating that Floyd easily won round 3. We duked it out. He had very little to show for Floyd in that round ... Manny was the better man in that round.

          But in Nevada, Floyd wins the close rounds.


          And remember that Manny's shoulder was not 100%. Not even 50%.



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          • Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
            Hey Zaroku, still around I see! So Spoon23 is gone?

            Well, his thread continues!




            As for the fight, you think that Nevada was going to give the fight to their home town guy or Manny? Just look at the scoring of the first Bradley fight. No way that would have happened to Floyd! Manny always had to do more than was required while Floyd didn't need to as he is the Nevada Golden Nugget.

            The cards were stacked against Manny.

            Floyd wants an illegal IV? Sure, no problem!

            Manny wants legal pain killer for his torn rotator? No way!


            Go watch round 2 and 3 of the fight. I remember a Floyd fan stating that Floyd easily won round 3. We duked it out. He had very little to show for Floyd in that round ... Manny was the better man in that round.

            But in Nevada, Floyd wins the close rounds.


            And remember that Manny's shoulder was not 100%. Not even 50%.



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            I'm still alive...
            My wife keeps buying crap I can't afford..

            I miss my time in Makati..

            Floyd cheated.

            PAC is still a king

            Floyd knows how to milk the crowd..

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            • Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
              Hey Zaroku, still around I see! So Spoon23 is gone?

              Well, his thread continues!




              As for the fight, you think that Nevada was going to give the fight to their home town guy or Manny? Just look at the scoring of the first Bradley fight. No way that would have happened to Floyd! Manny always had to do more than was required while Floyd didn't need to as he is the Nevada Golden Nugget.

              The cards were stacked against Manny.

              Floyd wants an illegal IV? Sure, no problem!

              Manny wants legal pain killer for his torn rotator? No way!


              Go watch round 2 and 3 of the fight. I remember a Floyd fan stating that Floyd easily won round 3. We duked it out. He had very little to show for Floyd in that round ... Manny was the better man in that round.

              But in Nevada, Floyd wins the close rounds.


              And remember that Manny's shoulder was not 100%. Not even 50%.



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              Yeah, he didn't need any medication becuase gold and salt water fixed his injury

              https://www.ajc.com/sports/manny-pac...%20sea%20water.

              Pacqaiou fanboys still seethe about this victory to this day.

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              • Originally posted by thebrownbomber_ View Post
                Yeah, he didn't need any medication becuase gold and salt water fixed his injury

                https://www.ajc.com/sports/manny-pac...%20sea%20water.

                Pacqaiou fanboys still seethe about this victory to this day.
                The Truth
                - Manny's doctor confirmed to diagnosing that Manny had a torn rotator cuff.
                - MRI confirmed the diagnosis.
                - Manny was supposed to go to USA to see his doctor and for rehab
                - Manny instead did his own rehab in the Philippines!!!
                - Manny's pre-fight physical health form had stated that Manny did use pain killers such as Lidocaine and Toradol.



                July 30, 2015
                “It is fine with me if he’s not going to be here in the US at the end of the month because the doctor was amazed when he watched the three-minute self-rehab video of Manny,” Arum told The Manila Times.


                Salt water did what?
                - Manny told people while lifting his right arm
                "raised his right arm upward and showed no discomfort in appearing to have fully recovered from a torn rotator cuff .......“No problem,” said Pacquiao displaying full vertical extension on his arm during a break at the 2019 FIBA World Cup bidding event in Tokyo last Friday. “I’m fine. It’s God’s work. I never saw a doctor. I never did rehab. All I did was to swim in the sea as often as I could. The salt water healed my wound.”


                - Journalist is the one who suggests by saying "appears to be fully healed"
                - Manny didn't say that the salt water healed his torn rotator cuff. His thought was that the salt water helped heal his flesh wound. Very different.


                Was it really healed?
                - Remember that, no matter how you take it, the previous interview was NOT from a doctor's point of view. It was Manny's point of view.
                - 6 or 7 weeks later, Manny had an MRI to see if it was healed.
                - Manny said "Thank you to all the doctors. Very good progress. Successful MRI on my shoulder,” said Pacquiao in an Instagram post after the procedure." Again, people may think it is further proof that Manny is totally healed

                BUT

                "Pictures have emerged of the Filipino boxer having physiotherapy and an MRI scan at a hospital in Manila...... Doctors said the injury was healing well, but still advised him to avoid strenuous activity."

                Finally, when did Manny fight next? It was against Bradley. Almost 1 full year after his fight with Floyd!!!

                After Floyd fought Castillo the first time, his excuse for his poor performance was that he badly hurt (later it was said to be torn) his rotator cuff .... Just a month or 2 later, Floyd was already in negotiations to fight Castillo rematch. It was delayed but not because of his injury!




                Floyd vs Manny
                It is all about perception.
                For Manny, who is perceived as an offensive fighter, to win the round, people are expecting heavy exchanges with Manny giving it more than receiving.
                For Floyd, who is perceived as an defensive fighter, to win the round, the perception is that if the round is relatively quiet then Floyd did enough to control Manny.

                That is to say, Manny was given round that he was clearly the aggressor while Floyd won those rounds that were quiet and relatively not as much action.

                So unless Manny wins like round #4, it was tough for him to win the round.


                Show me proof you say?
                Carefully analyze round #3. This was close but clear round for Manny BUT the 3 Nevada judges gave it to Floyd. Years ago I provided the clips to prove it. Not sure if I still have them but if you analyze it objectively you would see the truth. That Nevada would never have given this fight to Manny.

                You give round 3 to Manny then it becomes a 7-5 fight. I remember Lederman giving Manny round #2. Of course, the judges gave it to Floyd. That could have made it 6-6.


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                Last edited by ADP02; 01-19-2021, 04:30 AM.

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                • Originally posted by Zaroku View Post
                  I'm still alive...
                  My wife keeps buying crap I can't afford..

                  I miss my time in Makati..

                  Floyd cheated.

                  PAC is still a king

                  Floyd knows how to milk the crowd..
                  With COVID I am not going to the Philippines or anywhere else for a while. Hopefully vaccines will help us out.
                  I need to be more cautious: Last couple of times that I caught a bad cold it affected my breathing. I had a lot of difficulty breathing. So I need to be very careful with COVID.

                  Actually my breathing issue happened to me the last time that I was in the Philippines. My wife had planned several excursions during that trip.




                  Floyd cheated: Guaranteed (IV)

                  Floyd = marketing


                  His most recent official/exhibition fights?
                  Floyd vs Berto
                  Floyd vs Mcgregor
                  Floyd vs Tenshin Nasukawa
                  Floyd vs Logan Paul

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                  • Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                    The Truth
                    - Manny's doctor confirmed to diagnosing that Manny had a torn rotator cuff.
                    - MRI confirmed the diagnosis.
                    - Manny was supposed to go to USA to see his doctor and for rehab
                    - Manny instead did his own rehab in the Philippines!!!
                    - Manny's pre-fight physical health form had stated that Manny did use pain killers such as Lidocaine and Toradol.



                    July 30, 2015
                    "It is fine with me if he's not going to be here in the US at the end of the month because the doctor was amazed when he watched the three-minute self-rehab video of Manny," Arum told The Manila Times.


                    Salt water did what?
                    - Manny told people while lifting his right arm
                    "raised his right arm upward and showed no discomfort in appearing to have fully recovered from a torn rotator cuff ......."No problem," said Pacquiao displaying full vertical extension on his arm during a break at the 2019 FIBA World Cup bidding event in Tokyo last Friday. "I'm fine. It's God's work. I never saw a doctor. I never did rehab. All I did was to swim in the sea as often as I could. The salt water healed my wound."


                    - Journalist is the one who suggests by saying "appears to be fully healed"
                    - Manny didn't say that the salt water healed his torn rotator cuff. His thought was that the salt water helped heal his flesh wound. Very different.


                    Was it really healed?
                    - Remember that, no matter how you take it, the previous interview was NOT from a doctor's point of view. It was Manny's point of view.
                    - 6 or 7 weeks later, Manny had an MRI to see if it was healed.
                    - Manny said "Thank you to all the doctors. Very good progress. Successful MRI on my shoulder," said Pacquiao in an Instagram post after the procedure." Again, people may think it is further proof that Manny is totally healed

                    BUT

                    "Pictures have emerged of the Filipino boxer having physiotherapy and an MRI scan at a hospital in Manila...... Doctors said the injury was healing well, but still advised him to avoid strenuous activity."

                    Finally, when did Manny fight next? It was against Bradley. Almost 1 full year after his fight with Floyd!!!

                    After Floyd fought Castillo the first time, his excuse for his poor performance was that he badly hurt (later it was said to be torn) his rotator cuff .... Just a month or 2 later, Floyd was already in negotiations to fight Castillo rematch. It was delayed but not because of his injury!




                    Floyd vs Manny
                    It is all about perception.
                    For Manny, who is perceived as an offensive fighter, to win the round, people are expecting heavy exchanges with Manny giving it more than receiving.
                    For Floyd, who is perceived as an defensive fighter, to win the round, the perception is that if the round is relatively quiet then Floyd did enough to control Manny.

                    That is to say, Manny was given round that he was clearly the aggressor while Floyd won those rounds that were quiet and relatively not as much action.

                    So unless Manny wins like round #4, it was tough for him to win the round.


                    Show me proof you say?
                    Carefully analyze round #3. This was close but clear round for Manny BUT the 3 Nevada judges gave it to Floyd. Years ago I provided the clips to prove it. Not sure if I still have them but if you analyze it objectively you would see the truth. That Nevada would never have given this fight to Manny.

                    You give round 3 to Manny then it becomes a 7-5 fight. I remember Lederman giving Manny round #2. Of course, the judges gave it to Floyd. That could have made it 6-6.


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                    You look like you copy and pasted every word of this. At least link your source. Anyone who knows basic science knows that Manny Pacquiao couldn't have been raising his shoulder and throwing punches if he actually tore his rotator cuff. BTW- Mayweather also came into this fight with injured hands, and 2 years of age.

                    Read the "media score cards", every normal person had Mayweather winning: https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/F...Manny_Pacquiao

                    Its funny, since Pacquiao fans want to portray their hero as some "humble king" and mayweather as an "arrogant flexer" when it is the exact opposite.

                    Mayweather after beating Pacquiao: "He's [Pacquiao] a hell of a fighter. I take my hat off to Manny Pacquiao. Now I see why he's one of the guys at the pinnacle."

                    Pacquiao after getting dominated: "I thought I won the fight. He [Mayweather] didn't do nothing."

                    Here is how normal boxing fans scored the fight:https://boxrec.com/en/scoring/1957156

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                    • Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                      With COVID I am not going to the Philippines or anywhere else for a while. Hopefully vaccines will help us out.
                      I need to be more cautious: Last couple of times that I caught a bad cold it affected my breathing. I had a lot of difficulty breathing. So I need to be very careful with COVID.

                      Actually my breathing issue happened to me the last time that I was in the Philippines. My wife had planned several excursions during that trip.




                      Floyd cheated: Guaranteed (IV)

                      Floyd = marketing


                      His most recent official/exhibition fights?
                      Floyd vs Berto
                      Floyd vs Mcgregor
                      Floyd vs Tenshin Nasukawa
                      Floyd vs Logan Paul
                      Did you purposely leave out the fight which led to all this, Floyd d Manny by UD 9-3?

                      Floyd got these high paying exhibitions because he proved himself the best of the era with his win over the #2 p4p boxer in the world.

                      You should point that out.

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                      • Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
                        Did you purposely leave out the fight which led to all this, Floyd d Manny by UD 9-3?

                        Floyd got these high paying exhibitions because he proved himself the best of the era with his win over the #2 p4p boxer in the world.

                        You should point that out.
                        But in slow motion ???

                        PAC doesn't get KTFOut

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                        • Originally posted by Zaroku View Post
                          But in slow motion ???

                          PAC doesn't get KTFOut
                          Lmfao.......

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                          • Originally posted by thebrownbomber_ View Post
                            You look like you copy and pasted every word of this. At least link your source. Anyone who knows basic science knows that Manny Pacquiao couldn't have been raising his shoulder and throwing punches if he actually tore his rotator cuff. BTW- Mayweather also came into this fight with injured hands, and 2 years of age.

                            Read the "media score cards", every normal person had Mayweather winning: https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/F...Manny_Pacquiao

                            Its funny, since Pacquiao fans want to portray their hero as some "humble king" and mayweather as an "arrogant flexer" when it is the exact opposite.

                            Mayweather after beating Pacquiao: "He's [Pacquiao] a hell of a fighter. I take my hat off to Manny Pacquiao. Now I see why he's one of the guys at the pinnacle."

                            Pacquiao after getting dominated: "I thought I won the fight. He [Mayweather] didn't do nothing."

                            Here is how normal boxing fans scored the fight:https://boxrec.com/en/scoring/1957156

                            Sorry for not including the links. See below

                            https://gulfnews.com/sport/manny-pac...jury-1.1592339

                            https://www.philstar.com/sports/2015...ulous-recovery

                            https://www.boxingscene.com/arum-sen...houlder--94099


                            I provided the proof including his doctors!!!

                            You are incorrect about what you said about rotator cuff injuries. Not every injury is the same. Kobe had the same injury but was able to still play basketball at a professional level ... and he didn't play just 1 game. He played numerous games.

                            There are 2 major factors to consider. Pain and weakness. Some may experience more pain but it may not be as damaging of an injury while some may have a more damaging injury but it being less painful. Same with weakness of the arm/shoulder. Like I said, not every injury is the same!

                            Kobe had the same doctor as Manny. Their doctor provided a statement that they had a severe enough injury that it warranted surgery. Manny had a full torn rotator cuff injury. That is what his doctor said in LA, USA. When he had his MRI done many months later in the Philippines they said it was NOT fully healed yet. So you have at least 2 doctors and MRIs to prove all of that!



                            I just want you to go back and verify round #3. If you want to go over this round together, I have no problem with that. I used to have several gifs to show my proofs. Once you start searching for Floyd's activity in that round you will see that there isn't much. Again, the NEVADA judges scored it to Floyd but I STRONLGY disagree!


                            Like I said, it is in part, perception. Close rounds went all to Floyd. Manny had to win a round much more convincingly.


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                            Last edited by ADP02; 01-19-2021, 02:32 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
                              Did you purposely leave out the fight which led to all this, Floyd d Manny by UD 9-3?

                              Floyd got these high paying exhibitions because he proved himself the best of the era with his win over the #2 p4p boxer in the world.

                              You should point that out.
                              I did say "His most recent official/exhibition fights?"


                              Floyd got it because of good marketing NOT because of what he did in his fights. He was marketed as the bad guy. People wanted to see him lose. Floyd carefully selected his opponents.

                              Imagine, Floyd had the opportunity to fight Manny at their prime in 2010 but didn't THEN we find out that he used an illegal IV!!!



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                              • Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                                Sorry for not including the links. See below

                                https://gulfnews.com/sport/manny-pac...jury-1.1592339

                                https://www.philstar.com/sports/2015...ulous-recovery

                                https://www.boxingscene.com/arum-sen...houlder--94099


                                I provided the proof including his doctors!!!

                                You are incorrect about what you said about rotator cuff injuries. Not every injury is the same. Kobe had the same injury but was able to still play basketball at a professional level ... and he didn't play just 1 game. He played numerous games.

                                There are 2 major factors to consider. Pain and weakness. Some may experience more pain but it may not be as damaging of an injury while some may have a more damaging injury but it being less painful. Same with weakness of the arm/shoulder. Like I said, not every injury is the same!

                                Kobe had the same doctor as Manny. Their doctor provided a statement that they had a severe enough injury that it warranted surgery. Manny had a full torn rotator cuff injury. That is what his doctor said in LA, USA. When he had his MRI done many months later in the Philippines they said it was NOT fully healed yet. So you have at least 2 doctors and MRIs to prove all of that!



                                I just want you to go back and verify round #3. If you want to go over this round together, I have no problem with that. I used to have several gifs to show my proofs. Once you start searching for Floyd's activity in that round you will see that there isn't much. Again, the NEVADA judges scored it to Floyd but I STRONLGY disagree!


                                Like I said, it is in part, perception. Close rounds went all to Floyd. Manny had to win a round much more convincingly.


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                                Lol. I highly suggest you listen to Paul Malinaggis interview. Almost everyone agrees that Manny Pacquiao faked that shoulder injury. He did not mention right after, not before, but in the post fight press confrence. Do I deny he had shoulder pain? No, not at all. Me being a boxer, I can testify some times the shoulder hurts alot when throwing punches, but a torn rotator cuff? Mayweather also had injuries in training camp, and was known to have fragile hands. Mayweather won that fight, everyone knows it. Every nuetral boxing fan knows this. Mayweather landed twice as much punches as manny did and far more right hands.

                                As showtime said "Manny Pacquiao is a 8 division world champion, and he'll go down as one of the sports greatest, but on this night, he was just ordinary". BTW- Mayweather actually had Manny hurt several times, and respectful of his power.

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