Vitali is one of the best HW of all time

[Ray Corso]

Bigger yes pound for pound punching strength? I doubt that very much!
These few comments tell it all, bigger is a noticable difference that anyone can relate to. Being bigger has nothing to do with learning techniques or being able to apply great techniques!!!
The comment about about Rigo was to compare his jab to the Bros's Rigo combinations his moves his thought processes!
If you had a boxing intelect you would understand what I'm trying to teach you but you don't get because you only know how to read a record you know the thing you changed to resume hahahaha!!!

Dr. its not a crime but if your just a Klts fan and not a boxing fan you'll never learn anything abpout what it takes to be considered great!!

I don't call the Klits trash I think their solid guys who get in shape and come to fight but their NOT great fighters! To compare their jabs with a Joe Louis jab is ridiculous. That doesn't mean its bad but Louis had a terrific jab with many options attached to it. Then again I doubt you understand how a jab can be multifacited.
Unless you've studied this subject for years and have actually applied your methods and techniques its just nti$fyuv, g6@!fnj from you!!! HA!!! Ray.

[bklynboy]

I think we all have to keep in mind how a dominant champion always make the rest of the division look weak, except in absolutely exceptional eras. Think of Joe Louis' "Bum of the month club", think of what was said about Marciano, about Tyson before 1990, about Holmes (my father, who had seen every heavyweight champion's reigns from the 30's Louis on, kept telling me in the 80's, how bad Holmes probably was, because there was no one there really good to compete with him -he was btw, saying the same of Marciano in retrospect).
Dominant champions don't let fighters develop, and make every other look just inept, even when they could have been good in some other eras.


You make some good points, Bklynboy, but some of this is absurd as well, in my opinion. I don't know how you evaluate this, but I can't possibly remotely agree with you with the lists you make after the first one. Bonavena was as strong as a bull but nothing in skills to compare with VK. Chuvalo? Come on, you can't be serious? Douglas had one good night; you can't base yourself on this to rate him. Jerry Quarry had indeed the style to bug VK; but he took too many punches, and with the big Ukrainian's power and strenght, forget it. Kenny Norton crumbled before every major puncher he faced. Trevor Berbick was a terrible octopus, very strong, and that's how he basically prevailed; but VK is too athletic and strong; I don't even know how you can even mention Berbick's name here. Shavers was powerful but terribly slow; Weaver strong and pretty powerful but not very cleaver and relatively the same can be said of Lyle; Folley was a good fighter, but I also can't think how you can put him there; Terrell was tall but didn't have enough power to rival VK's; Young was a small guy, very cleaver, but too small. Witherspoon (at some point), Bowe, Holyfield would have given him really good test and probably hard battles, and a prime Holmes would have made for a very good fight. For these guys, I agree too.

The second list was one I quickly pulled off the top of my head of fighters who I think could be rated above VK and at the very least would be fighters who could beat the Ks. If VK could beat a Norton (who gave Ali fits) and beat fighters the quality of Folley, Shavers and Witherspoon THEN I would give complete props to VK.

[LacedUp]

Ok so it's just pure hazard that Vitali Klitschko became WBC champion, that he was never knocked down and that he was dominant in every single fight?

Vitali is currently 42 years old and he is the WBC champion. He suffered 3 harsh injuries and is still in amazing shape. He is mentally tough, very skilled and as intelligent ( if not more) than his brother in the ring. Vitali Klitschko is a tactician not a silly bully.

Dude are you serious? I don't want to waste my time discussing boxing on this level.

[Huxley]

He is one of the best no doubt, he just never really got the chance to prove it, other than the Lewis fight, which one could say defined his career when it comes to 'greatness' - he failed against the only ATG he faced.

[LacedUp]

He is one of the best no doubt, he just never really got the chance to prove it, other than the Lewis fight, which one could say defined his career when it comes to 'greatness' - he failed against the only ATG he faced.

Ah, but there is doubt. Against the best two fighters he faced, he quit and lost. Other than that, he has faced a lot of LHWs CWs and has beens. Beating the likes of Charr, Chisora, Briggs, Sosnowski, Johnson, Gomez, Purrity, Danny Williams doesn't prove anything other than he's beating other shyt contenders. When your best win is Sam Peter, you have nothing to claim when it comes to top 20 of HW boxing, let alone top 3 as someone so criminally said.

[Huxley]

Ah, but there is doubt. Against the best two fighters he faced, he quit and lost. Other than that, he has faced a lot of LHWs CWs and has beens. Beating the likes of Charr, Chisora, Briggs, Sosnowski, Johnson, Gomez, Purrity, Danny Williams doesn't prove anything other than he's beating other shyt contenders. When your best win is Sam Peter, you have nothing to claim when it comes to top 20 of HW boxing, let alone top 3 as someone so criminally said.

His resume is lacking, I agree. Wlad has more to show, especially if he keeps going for a couple more years.

[Dr.Eisenfaust]

Ah, but there is doubt. Against the best two fighters he faced, he quit and lost. Other than that, he has faced a lot of LHWs CWs and has beens. Beating the likes of Charr, Chisora, Briggs, Sosnowski, Johnson, Gomez, Purrity, Danny Williams doesn't prove anything other than he's beating other shyt contenders. When your best win is Sam Peter, you have nothing to claim when it comes to top 20 of HW boxing, let alone top 3 as someone so criminally said.

Come on!! He dominated Chris Byrd for 9 rounds until he got injured, his face was bungled against Lewis and you speak here about a doubt? Are you mad or do you juste hate him?

And hey, it is my right to have my own opinion so leave alone with your disgusting " criminally said". In boxing styles make fights that's why you cannot give a scientific ranking. If I had a ranking to do, I admit it would be totally subjective because it would be based on the fighters' skills and styles. A forum's purpose is to discuss and argue, not to grouch.

[joe strong]

Come on!! He dominated Chris Byrd for 9 rounds until he got injured, his face was bungled against Lewis and you speak here about a doubt? Are you mad or do you juste hate him?

And hey, it is my right to have my own opinion so leave alone with your disgusting " criminally said". In boxing styles make fights that's why you cannot give a scientific ranking. If I had a ranking to do, I admit it would be totally subjective because it would be based on the fighters' skills and styles. A forum's purpose is to discuss and argue, not to grouch.

It doesn't matter but how many ATG have quit in a fight they were up by 9 rounds? An arm injury & he quit? He is 6'7 & byrd was what 3'2? Get on your bike. It's not like he was getting hit cleanly anyway... When you don't beat the best of your era you are not an ATG... How come only klitschko fans don't see this? Most of my favorites are not hall of famers but i'm not going to use irrelevant stats to justify them getting into the hall. Bottom line vitali never beat any of the best HWs of his era nor did he fight them. Wow he didn't lose many rounds but he never fought anyone other then byrd & lewis.... 0-2

[slimshandy69]

Correct! A prime Vitali was mutilated by an old, overweight Lewis.

Imagine how much worse it could've been for Vitali if Lewis had actually given a **** haha.


The day either Klitsckho gets a win over a good fighter is the day I eat my own jizz.

And the Lewis fight, it doesn't matter what an Klit fans say, the fight was stopped for Vitalis safety, not lennox's.

it was a freak accident, like the shoulder injury he had with chris bird, both fights he was up and winning comfortably

Vitali would trounce any heavyweight of any era bar His borther(the current form).

[The Big Dunn]

it was a freak accident, like the shoulder injury he had with chris bird, both fights he was up and winning comfortably

Vitali would trounce any heavyweight of any era bar His borther(the current form).

he couldn't beat the 2 best fighters he ever faced-yet he would trounce all the guys better than them.

is there any other fighter in history at any weight that lost to the 2 best opponents he faced but would beat every ATG fighter at the weight?