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  • mrbig1
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    Oh boy here we go again. You must ask yourself how was Clay rated as #1 before the Liston fight. Was it wins over Copper and Jones? No Liston cleaned out the HW division before he fought Clay. How about Fraizer? He too cleaned out he HW division. When Ali beat Foreman Ali was past his prime. Now to Norton. I agree Norton was not all that. But he could handle a boxer like Ali, Young, and Holmes. Put Norton in with a big puncher and it's lights out. Like Foreman Shavers and Cooney. Why does anyone talk about Spinks? Ali was way past his best. 3 of the fighters in this era won gold medals for the U.S. It should be four, but I won't count Spinks. Peace brothers and sisters.

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  • Dr. Z
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    Originally posted by GrizzlyGrizzly View Post
    I meat dont get me wrong but beat Ali=that makes your elite fighter other guys struggles against someone=look this guy struggled with some bum but when Ali struggles against someone=Omg ATG

    Leon Spinks was journeyman yet you Ali fans hype him like he was different than mcbride what makes Spinks great fighter and Mcbride journeyman.

    Lyle, Young Folley, Norton are sure not different than Ruddock, Bruno, Grant, if were being honest.

    60s 70s heavyweights are not technically much different than today's scrubs in reality.

    What makes that fighters different because they put great fight vs Ali and get praised and mytholized as a ATGS someone put good fight against today's scrubs or vs Mike Tyson =that opponent sucks nothing special 0 credit

    That guys werent that skilled all were mostly some sluggers compare to 80s 90s HWS in terms of skills 70s HWS are not even close.

    C level fighters like Chuvalo are mytholized as a great because they fough in that golden era but todays champions or in Holmes era are bums.

    Norton my boy don't deserved even to be names as a great fighter let Alone to be in Hall Of Fame but again he make his name by beating Ali.

    In fact most of these guys are nothing special at all compared to some other solid contenders and heavyweight champions they are hyped because they put tough fight vs Ali someone like cooper was seen as a great fighter Spinks too Ali simple wasn't that great these guys just are so overrated

    Take Ali out of the picture and the guys career is nothing special.In fact Ali was special that he actually uplifts other people to mythic proportions.

    Joe Frazier: don't get me wrong but he is very overrated for me That trilogy is his one and only claim to fame.Without it,nobody would remember him in the slightest.


    He

    lost this trilogy decisively.And despite losing this trilogy,Frazier is usually remembered above far greater fighters than himself.Without that trilogy,he wouldn't even make it into the hall of fame.



    Legitimate greats like Michael Spinks are all but forgotten except for some highlight package of young phemom at his peak.who dominated everyone in LHW division.



    Well for openers it had great talent. Lots of hall of heavyweights were active back then, and most fought each other. At least more often than today.

    The money was not as insane and this kept people hungry.

    That talent was all American, or mostly USA born.

    The fans who love Ali, Foreman, and Frazer can be a bit sensitive toward them. By the way Norton resume is comparable to Fraziers.

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  • MikeyMike100
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    Originally posted by GrizzlyGrizzly View Post
    I meat dont get me wrong but beat Ali=that makes your elite fighter other guys struggles against someone=look this guy struggled with some bum but when Ali struggles against someone=Omg ATG

    Leon Spinks was journeyman yet you Ali fans hype him like he was different than mcbride what makes Spinks great fighter and Mcbride journeyman.

    Lyle, Young Folley, Norton are sure not different than Ruddock, Bruno, Grant, if were being honest.

    60s 70s heavyweights are not technically much different than today's scrubs in reality.

    What makes that fighters different because they put great fight vs Ali and get praised and mytholized as a ATGS someone put good fight against today's scrubs or vs Mike Tyson =that opponent sucks nothing special 0 credit

    That guys werent that skilled all were mostly some sluggers compare to 80s 90s HWS in terms of skills 70s HWS are not even close.

    C level fighters like Chuvalo are mytholized as a great because they fough in that golden era but todays champions or in Holmes era are bums.

    Norton my boy don't deserved even to be names as a great fighter let Alone to be in Hall Of Fame but again he make his name by beating Ali.

    In fact most of these guys are nothing special at all compared to some other solid contenders and heavyweight champions they are hyped because they put tough fight vs Ali someone like cooper was seen as a great fighter Spinks too Ali simple wasn't that great these guys just are so overrated

    Take Ali out of the picture and the guys career is nothing special.In fact Ali was special that he actually uplifts other people to mythic proportions.

    Joe Frazier: don't get me wrong but he is very overrated for me That trilogy is his one and only claim to fame.Without it,nobody would remember him in the slightest.


    He

    lost this trilogy decisively.And despite losing this trilogy,Frazier is usually remembered above far greater fighters than himself.Without that trilogy,he wouldn't even make it into the hall of fame.



    Legitimate greats like Michael Spinks are all but forgotten except for some highlight package of young phemom at his peak.who dominated everyone in LHW division.





    Lyle, Young Folley, Norton are sure not different than Ruddock, Bruno, Grant, if were being honest. Disagree about the Norton point. His style caused slick boxers like ALi, Homes and Young problems. Agreed with a lot of this though. Most of the 70s luster comes from it being the "golden age of boxing" and there being more attention on it becuase it was so popular in America. Chuvalo was the Derek Chisora of his day

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  • Zaroku
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    Because old people like me get into nostalgia mode.
    Im stuck in the late 70’s early 80’s.

    but I still was sad , still sad that we got 12 round fights instead of 15!

    I am still mad that clothes lining is illegal

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  • The D3vil
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    Originally posted by Cash in View Post

    Who is the woman in the gif on your page? Cash in
    Demetria Obilor
    mrbig1 mrbig1 Cash in Cash in like this.

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  • YGriffith
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    The only thing i like from that era is the all fought each other, other than that i eont see anything special from that era.

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  • Cash in
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    Originally posted by The D3vil View Post
    We gotta make internet connections more expensive.

    Y'all just be saying anything
    Who is the woman in the gif on your page? Cash in

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  • The D3vil
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    We gotta make internet connections more expensive.

    Y'all just be saying anything

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  • them_apples
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    Originally posted by GrizzlyGrizzly View Post
    I meat dont get me wrong but beat Ali=that makes your elite fighter other guys struggles against someone=look this guy struggled with some bum but when Ali struggles against someone=Omg ATG

    Leon Spinks was journeyman yet you Ali fans hype him like he was different than mcbride what makes Spinks great fighter and Mcbride journeyman.

    Lyle, Young Folley, Norton are sure not different than Ruddock, Bruno, Grant, if were being honest.

    60s 70s heavyweights are not technically much different than today's scrubs in reality.

    What makes that fighters different because they put great fight vs Ali and get praised and mytholized as a ATGS someone put good fight against today's scrubs or vs Mike Tyson =that opponent sucks nothing special 0 credit

    That guys werent that skilled all were mostly some sluggers compare to 80s 90s HWS in terms of skills 70s HWS are not even close.

    C level fighters like Chuvalo are mytholized as a great because they fough in that golden era but todays champions or in Holmes era are bums.

    Norton my boy don't deserved even to be names as a great fighter let Alone to be in Hall Of Fame but again he make his name by beating Ali.

    In fact most of these guys are nothing special at all compared to some other solid contenders and heavyweight champions they are hyped because they put tough fight vs Ali someone like cooper was seen as a great fighter Spinks too Ali simple wasn't that great these guys just are so overrated

    Take Ali out of the picture and the guys career is nothing special.In fact Ali was special that he actually uplifts other people to mythic proportions.

    Joe Frazier: don't get me wrong but he is very overrated for me That trilogy is his one and only claim to fame.Without it,nobody would remember him in the slightest.


    He

    lost this trilogy decisively.And despite losing this trilogy,Frazier is usually remembered above far greater fighters than himself.Without that trilogy,he wouldn't even make it into the hall of fame.



    Legitimate greats like Michael Spinks are all but forgotten except for some highlight package of young phemom at his peak.who dominated everyone in LHW division.





    well you gotta know about the era if you plan on judging it. Ali was sufferring from parkinsons disease when he fought Spinks. Do you judge Mike Tyson based off his fight with Danny Williams?

    Wladmir got slept by Brewster, do you judge Wladmir by him laying face first down on the canvas?

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  • StarshipTrooper
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    Ok. Only 8 posts and makes a thread designed to piss people off. This sounds like an alt of a regular who's trying to troll the history section. Obvious alt is obvious.

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