Holyfield: are there 10 better heavyweights?

[thebrownbomber_]

I'm not a Tyson fan boy. ( Not saying you called me one ), but he's the meat on Holyfield's resume. The 80's Tyson was far better than the 90's version Holyfield beat. To work backwards, Douglas was a fat slob in that fight, Foreman was old, and Holmes also old, yet he cut Holyfield. The Mercer win was a good one, maybe one of his three best but come on, the WBO belt when Mercer held it was a joke.

Yeah, he was floored by Cooper and might have received some home cooking during the count.

Holyfield gave a great account of himself in the first Bowe fight? Only for taking a beating. The second fight to me was a draw and had 17 minute break at that allowed a sometimes gassed Holyfield to fight two 6 rounds fights. Only a Holyfield fan boy thinks he won the 2nd fight with Bowe by a big margin.

Health issues you mentioned. Yes. Too much steroids, I likely agree with you here, but they gave him the edge he needed to compete against bigger men. How would Holyfield look off steroids?

Holyfield should be 1-4 vs. Bowe and Lewis. Sure he avenged the defeat to Moorer. Did you know Moorer by that time had issues outside the ring?

Holyfield made a fantastic account of himself in the first fight. Those rounds were close and competitive, and that 10th round was just a war.

[thebrownbomber_]

The heavyweights that are better than Evander:
Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Larry Holmes
Rocky Marciano
George Foreman

[Dr. Z]

Holyfield made a fantastic account of himself in the first fight. Those rounds were close and competitive, and that 10th round was just a war.

I think Bowe won by 5 to 7 points.

Bowe threw more jabs and power punches and landed more. Holyfield was hurt and floored. If this fight was 15 rounds I think Bowe wins via TKO.

https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/E...e_(1st_meeting)

[BKM-]

I'm not a Tyson fan boy. ( Not saying you called me one )

I am saying I called you one.

but he's the meat on Holyfield's resume. The 80's Tyson was far better than the 90's version Holyfield beat. To work backwards, Douglas was a fat slob in that fight, Foreman was old, and Holmes also old, yet he cut Holyfield. The Mercer win was a good one, maybe one of his three best but come on, the WBO belt when Mercer held it was a joke.

Tyson had made a comeback regaining some of the titles against the same level of competition he beat in the 80s. He lasted for 11 rounds against Evander, who was considered shot and a cherry pick. It's a massive win no matter how you try to spin it.

Douglas tried to KO Evander with the same uppercut he beheaded Tyson with. Evander countered with a pull back right cross and it was over.

Foreman was still extremely dangerous, dangerous enough for your hero to duck him year after year after year. You want a link to the story?

You can try to write off Holmes while he was one of Tyson's biggest wins You keep biting your own hand kid. What a dummy.

Nice try but you failed discrediting Holyfield's ATG resume. I could have a field day picking apart Tyson's awful record but I have no interest in spending time on something everybody already knows.

Tysons biggest wins: Ruddock, Tucker, old Holmes.

Evander's biggest wins: Bowe, Tyson, Foreman or the dozen other former champs he beat.

Holyfield gave a great account of himself in the first Bowe fight?

I have seen many Tyson fanboys spout nonsense but you're one of the first I've seen trying to act like Evander was dominated and didn't give a great account of himself in that fight. I already knew you were ****** but you're a special kind of one.

The second fight to me was a draw and had 17 minute break at that allowed a sometimes gassed Holyfield to fight two 6 rounds fights. Only a Holyfield fan boy thinks he won the 2nd fight with Bowe by a big margin.

I can tell you have never actually watched any of the fights you're mentioning. You've only seen highlight videos and hearsay, right? Be honest.

Holyfield performed a masterclass boxing lesson in the 2nd Bowe fight. He avoided the brawling and used in and out movement boxing Bowe's ears off with quick combinations. The only success Bowe had were the few moments Evander slugged with him which is again, the only reason he beat Evander in the other 2 fights with his huge size advantage.

Don't talk to me about PED's when your boy was a catskills HGH experiment by a crazy old man who insisted on sleeping in the same bed with his fighters.

[BKM-]

I think Bowe won by 5 to 7 points.

Bowe threw more jabs and power punches and landed more. Holyfield was hurt and floored. If this fight was 15 rounds I think Bowe wins via TKO.

https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/E...e_(1st_meeting)

We already know you don't know how to score fights so don't bother sharing your made up scorecards for fights you've never watched in your clueless life. If you want to focus on stats, try to focus on upgrading your IQ level to atleast 90 instead.

[DeeMoney]

The heavyweights that are better than Evander:
Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Larry Holmes
Rocky Marciano
George Foreman

Interesting you didn't put Lewis, I feel like he proved to be a better heavyweight.

[thebrownbomber_]

Interesting you didn't put Lewis, I feel like he proved to be a better heavyweight.

Nope. Holyfield has the better resume, was undisputed as well, and a 4 time world champion. Lewis is just below evander though

[DeeMoney]

Holyfield is lower end of the top 10, maybe just outside of it. We can't decry him being the 'smaller man' and thus being better than the big guys he lost to; its a debate of whose a better heavyweight not whose better p4p. Like it or not size matters, and his lack of it cost him some fights.

That doesnt mean he is as low as the OP brought up some ranking him, just that him being the greatest cruiser ever doesnt play a role here, nor does him losing because the other guy was bigger.

And before I am derided for being biased, Holyfield was my favorite fighter as a kid, and one of my top 3-4 from my lifetime (possibly #1).

[thebrownbomber_]

Holyfield beat around 5 more world champions than lennox lewis and 7 more than tyson

[BKM-]

Holyfield is lower end of the top 10, maybe just outside of it. We can't decry him being the 'smaller man' and thus being better than the big guys he lost to; its a debate of whose a better heavyweight not whose better p4p. Like it or not size matters, and his lack of it cost him some fights.

That doesnt mean he is as low as the OP brought up some ranking him, just that him being the greatest cruiser ever doesnt play a role here, nor does him losing because the other guy was bigger.

And before I am derided for being biased, Holyfield was my favorite fighter as a kid, and one of my top 3-4 from my lifetime (possibly #1).

Actually miss. Dee, Holyfield receiving credit for usually being the smaller man facing and beating much bigger quality men is quite significant and not irrelevant just because you say so, you have no authority on the matter and in fact most historians give extra credit to many ATG's who did great despite size disadvantages.

Overcoming adversity is a significant criteria. You can't realize how impressive it is for a smaller man to beat a bigger quality man who know how to use his size, that's your loss not everybody else's. And nobody said Holyfield's cruiserweight accomplishments play a role here.