Where does Tyson actually rank

[thebrownbomber_]

The Bowe fight was out there. Bowe's manager Rock Newman wanted it in the mid 1990's.

The bottom line is Tyson as the star could have fought anyone. He settled for easier marks outside of Holyfield and Lewis who owned him.

The would have should have list for Tyson is a long one.

Yes it is correct that Don King was cherry picking fights for Tyson. Tyson under his catskills team would have certainly made these fights happen, even perhaps the foreman one.

[Dr. Z]

Yes it is correct that Don King was cherry picking fights for Tyson. Tyson under his catskills team would have certainly made these fights happen, even perhaps the foreman one.

Tyson would have smashed Foreman, even in the 1990's.

[thebrownbomber_]

Tyson would have smashed Foreman, even in the 1990's.

No way. Tyson in the 1990s was slow and a headhunting brawler.

[Dr. Z]

No way. Tyson in the 1990s was slow and a headhunting brawler.

Foreman was too slow, not much on defense, and would be beaten to the punch Tyson.

A 1990;s review: Foreman was even with Schultz, and Saveresse. Got out boxed by Tommy Morrison. Was badly busted up vs Stewart. And was clearly losing to Moorer until cashing in on the " puncher chance " vs. a guy who didn't have a good chin.

IMO the 1990's Tyson rips Foreman.

[thebrownbomber_]

Foreman was too slow, not much on defense, and would be beaten to the punch Tyson.

A 1990;s review: Foreman was even with Schultz, and Saveresse. Got out boxed by Tommy Morrison. Was badly busted up vs Stewart. And was clearly losing to Moorer until cashing in on the " puncher chance " vs. a guy who didn't have a good chin.

IMO the 1990's Tyson rips Foreman.

The thing is that those guys didnt slug it out like tyson or frazier. Those guys outboxed him using footwork and movement.

[JAB5239]

The thing is it is a known fact that Tyson was on anti-depressants around this time. The way Tyson conducted himself in interviews was so much different than Pre Holyfiled tyson. He has constantly said that he doesn't try to intimidate his opponents by staring, but by hitting them. It was Tysons explosive combos that intimidated his opponents rather than himself.

And yes, Mike tyson lives in Robin givens head to the point that robin is still making accusations about tyson. We all know that Robin Givens would look much different if Tyson beat her up the way she claimed he did.

Tyson can say whatever he wants like most fighters do. But I think his actions proved he was an intimidator before almost all of his fights. You mention Ruddock....Tyson telling him he was gonna make him kiss him with those big pretty lips. The way his eyes never left Mcneely or many other fighters. His words.....all these are meant to intimidate. This is why many guys were beaten before they ever got to the ring with him. My opinion only of course.

[Dr. Z]

The thing is that those guys didnt slug it out like tyson or frazier. Those guys outboxed him using footwork and movement.

Holyfield out slugged Foreman. Foreman was stunned by Cooney who did not last long, and a journeyman named Lakusta in one of his early comeback fights. He could not take Tyson's best for long.

[them_apples]

Tyson can say whatever he wants like most fighters do. But I think his actions proved he was an intimidator before almost all of his fights. You mention Ruddock....Tyson telling him he was gonna make him kiss him with those big pretty lips. The way his eyes never left Mcneely or many other fighters. His words.....all these are meant to intimidate. This is why many guys were beaten before they ever got to the ring with him. My opinion only of course.

he was also intimidating low level oponents brought in to be smashed. I mean, butterbean beat up Mcneely almost as bad.

[them_apples]

Foreman was too slow, not much on defense, and would be beaten to the punch Tyson.

A 1990;s review: Foreman was even with Schultz, and Saveresse. Got out boxed by Tommy Morrison. Was badly busted up vs Stewart. And was clearly losing to Moorer until cashing in on the " puncher chance " vs. a guy who didn't have a good chin.

IMO the 1990's Tyson rips Foreman.

Except that Foreman isn't just gonna fall down when Tyson hits him. And hes physically stronger than Tyson. There no way this would be a wash for Tyson, in fact as the fight goes on it might start looking bad. All Mike can do is stand in front of George I can't see how thats a good idea even in the 90s.

[them_apples]

This makes absolutely no sense. Holyfield was both more washed up as a fighter and at a worse stage in his career.

Tyson had been collecting belts and looking great. There was no indication that he was no good. You say that now in hindsight.

Evander had taken a ton of damage in the Bowe trilogy and was coming off a bad showing against Czyz, stopped against Bowe looking awful against Moorer & Stewart, just highly inconsistent for his worth and considering retirement due to health problems.

You think nobody remembers that era? Everybody knows excactly the reasons Tyson/King even took the Holyfield fight at that time.

Holyfield was the one that had to overcome all that psychological and physical adversity, not the protected golden goose Tyson.



100% ATG wins which everyboxing historian worth anything acknowledges. Those fights represent exactly how their fight would have went if they fought years before in their primes.



Because he wasn't as good as Tyson fanboys think he is.



Again, zero indication that Tyson was no good. He looked great beating the same level of fighters he beat in his first reign as champ. It was a full-contact layoff from boxing, he didn't sit on his ass in his cell all day. He trained and continued training boxing in there and it was a layoff in his mid 20s, it's a highly overstated issue. He wasn't peak prime but still close to his best and beating him the way Holyfield did was ATG worthy.

That's just the convenient hindsight excuse his fans use, and I think it's hilarious, them apples, that you have tried to exclude yourself from that notorious group as if you're any different. Because everything you're saying right now is parrotted from them.

dude, are you mistaking me for a Tyson fan boy? I literally agree with most of what you say, its almost like you got emotional and picked a fight with me.

What the fans think and the media sells isnt reality. Holyfield had been in more wars than Tyson, much tougher fights - but he was still a more serious fighter than Mike in 96. Mike is a fulltime partyier and wants someone whos scared of him.

Holyfield is simply better than Tyson. You think I am implying that prime Mike beats Holyfield? I'm not. Holyfield at his peak STILL beats Mike, I just don't think Mike gives up as early.

IN hindsight, Holyfield beating Tyson is not an atg win. Why? I think any top tier fighter would have beat him by then - he was just being protected. Thats not ATG.

You are such a godamn baby lol, still mad about a remark I made that was decidedly too arrogant for you to handle. I don't understand why you can't get over it. I'm living in your head rent free and I'm not even trying to. I come here to talk about boxing