Where does Tyson actually rank

[JAB5239]

Tyson is one of those best night heavyweights. In the mid to late 80's he was something, but that was his mental prime. In the 1990's he was still dangerous, but not quite the same and became a bit of a cherry picker, losing badly to Holyfield and Lewis.

Fights with Bowe, Tua, Moorer, Mercer, Morrison, Ikeabuchi never happened. Instead we saw re-matches vs Ruddock and Bruno, a fight with Seldon, Botha, Savereese...guys he easily beat.

You could say Tyson is the #1 all time heavyweight vs. fringe contenders and journeyman. Overall I have him just outside my top 10.

The Bowe timeline doesn't match up. Tyson got out of jail and was working himself back into shape. By the time he was there Bowe had the two Golota fights and was damaged goods. Both Tua and Ibeabuchi were still up and coming but lose/lose fights. There were no titles to be had and he would make the same money as fighting the more established Holyfield. Mercer lost to Holy and Lewis during the timeframe he could have gotten a Tyson fight and than started fighter guys who were past it or less than contender material until his loss to Wlad. Morrison had lost to Lewis in '96 and was diagnosed with AIDS that same year. Bruno and Seldom both had ABC titles that got them into the Tyson Lottery. Without those titles I don't think Mike bothers with those fights. Guys like Botha and Saverese were fights with Tyson coming off suspension from the ear bite fight and trying to build his rep back up against name fighters who were previous contenders. By this time Tyson was done anyway.

Personally I would have liked to see all of these fights. And it's easy to sit back and say they should or could have been made. I've done the same thing with other fighters. Tysons second career was mapped out to capture titles and make as much money as possible. Combine his first and second careers and I see him about 8th or 9th all time. But it's a matter of opinion as criterias vary and are very subjective.

[JAB5239]

Doesn't this guy get tired of being rag dolled around these threads.

I really think he's just lonely. That's why he bumps decade old threads and begins conversations with people who haven't been here for just as long.

Obviously not!! 😆

[thebrownbomber_]

Fights happen at weigh ins all the time. Did you really expect him to break character? This is Mike Tyson. The man sells fights thru intimidation....even when he knew he was going to lose.

Again, you have no basis for your claims. Tyson was on Zoloft....that's it. Unless of course you can find some hidden information no one else knows about. And millions of people have taken Zoloft. Let me guess... they've all been crazy, psychotic or mentally ill, right?

You're blocked because I'm not letting you soil my threads the way you do all others. At least you're speaking more coherently though. AA working out for you?

Tyson in 2002 was certainly not Tyson “in his character”. If you see his interviews in the 80s, he is far more relaxed, quiet, and ready for business. In the early 90s he showed some signs of his anger, but was generally quiet and focused on beating Holyfield before he went to prison. Even after prison, he looked somewhat committed and relaxed in his interviews. If you notice carefully, most of his controversial stuff (interviews) happened after the Holyfield rematch. I think that bite fight really messed him up mentally due to so much media exposure. There is a major difference in the Tyson of the 80s/early 90s, Tyson post prison and pre bite fight, and Tyson shot (1999 onwards).

[JAB5239]

Tyson in 2002 was certainly not Tyson “in his character”. If you see his interviews in the 80s, he is far more relaxed, quiet, and ready for business. In the early 90s he showed some signs of his anger, but was generally quiet and focused on beating Holyfield before he went to prison. Even after prison, he looked somewhat committed and relaxed in his interviews. If you notice carefully, most of his controversial stuff (interviews) happened after the Holyfield rematch. I think that bite fight really messed him up mentally due to so much media exposure. There is a major difference in the Tyson of the 80s/early 90s, Tyson post prison and pre bite fight, and Tyson shot (1999 onwards).

I think he was in character because he KNEW he wasn't the same fighter of the 80's. He also knew people were drawn to his fights and knew that he could keep them interested from outside the ring even if he wasn't the same fighter inside of it. All this is personal opinion of course.

[QueensburyRules]

Tyson in 2002 was certainly not Tyson “in his character”. If you see his interviews in the 80s, he is far more relaxed, quiet, and ready for business. In the early 90s he showed some signs of his anger, but was generally quiet and focused on beating Holyfield before he went to prison. Even after prison, he looked somewhat committed and relaxed in his interviews. If you notice carefully, most of his controversial stuff (interviews) happened after the Holyfield rematch. I think that bite fight really messed him up mentally due to so much media exposure. There is a major difference in the Tyson of the 80s/early 90s, Tyson post prison and pre bite fight, and Tyson shot (1999 onwards).

- -Musta been in diapers then. All the street fights and off the rail behaviors start with Givens and DKing, the collective enough to expose the seismic
fault lines in his fragile, rebuilt persona.

After a highly publicized outburst that resulted in him running his Rolls into a tree, he was placed on Lithium used for severe, suicidal depression. See the infamous Barbara Wawa interview with Givens answering most of the questions as he is purring like a warm milk fed kitty.

Check out his lead up interviews with Rudduck where he's clearly off his meds.

Fight to fight off time became such a highwire nightmare that he was assigned a minder shadow who insured he took his meds and never strayed from training camp to keep him out of trouble.

I take it now that he's older and after having lost everything, he knows to take his meds and certainly the amount of medicinal marihuana he consumes keeps him in that kitty state.

[JAB5239]

And let's put an end to Tyson being mentally ill. I hardly believe a word from Givens or her mother's mouth.

https://www.poconorecord.com/article...TS90/310149979

[Dr. Z]

The Bowe timeline doesn't match up. Tyson got out of jail and was working himself back into shape. By the time he was there Bowe had the two Golota fights and was damaged goods. Both Tua and Ibeabuchi were still up and coming but lose/lose fights. There were no titles to be had and he would make the same money as fighting the more established Holyfield. Mercer lost to Holy and Lewis during the timeframe he could have gotten a Tyson fight and than started fighter guys who were past it or less than contender material until his loss to Wlad. Morrison had lost to Lewis in '96 and was diagnosed with AIDS that same year. Bruno and Seldom both had ABC titles that got them into the Tyson Lottery. Without those titles I don't think Mike bothers with those fights. Guys like Botha and Saverese were fights with Tyson coming off suspension from the ear bite fight and trying to build his rep back up against name fighters who were previous contenders. By this time Tyson was done anyway.

Personally I would have liked to see all of these fights. And it's easy to sit back and say they should or could have been made. I've done the same thing with other fighters. Tysons second career was mapped out to capture titles and make as much money as possible. Combine his first and second careers and I see him about 8th or 9th all time. But it's a matter of opinion as criterias vary and are very subjective.

The Bowe fight was out there. Bowe's manager Rock Newman wanted it in the mid 1990's.

The bottom line is Tyson as the star could have fought anyone. He settled for easier marks outside of Holyfield and Lewis who owned him.

The would have should have list for Tyson is a long one.

[JAB5239]

The Bowe fight was out there. Bowe's manager Rock Newman wanted it in the mid 1990's.

The bottom line is Tyson as the star could have fought anyone. He settled for easier marks outside of Holyfield and Lewis who owned him.

The would have should have list for Tyson is a long one.

Bowe's team wanted Tyson right after he got out of prison. After that Bowe brought little to the table. Mike could make money fighting anyone, and more money after grabbing two ABC titles. By that time Bowe was showing signs of possible brain damage and was beaten up by Golota and clearly showing rapid decline.

I would have like to see that fight to, but I just don't think it fits in the timeline and circumstances.

We could go round and round about a s*it load of fighters that "could" have made fights and didn't. I've said this about other fighters myself.

[thebrownbomber_]

I think he was in character because he KNEW he wasn't the same fighter of the 80's. He also knew people were drawn to his fights and knew that he could keep them interested from outside the ring even if he wasn't the same fighter inside of it. All this is personal opinion of course.

The thing is it is a known fact that Tyson was on anti-depressants around this time. The way Tyson conducted himself in interviews was so much different than Pre Holyfiled tyson. He has constantly said that he doesn't try to intimidate his opponents by staring, but by hitting them. It was Tysons explosive combos that intimidated his opponents rather than himself.

And yes, Mike tyson lives in Robin givens head to the point that robin is still making accusations about tyson. We all know that Robin Givens would look much different if Tyson beat her up the way she claimed he did.

[thebrownbomber_]

- -Musta been in diapers then. All the street fights and off the rail behaviors start with Givens and DKing, the collective enough to expose the seismic
fault lines in his fragile, rebuilt persona.

After a highly publicized outburst that resulted in him running his Rolls into a tree, he was placed on Lithium used for severe, suicidal depression. See the infamous Barbara Wawa interview with Givens answering most of the questions as he is purring like a warm milk fed kitty.

Check out his lead up interviews with Rudduck where he's clearly off his meds.

Fight to fight off time became such a highwire nightmare that he was assigned a minder shadow who insured he took his meds and never strayed from training camp to keep him out of trouble.

I take it now that he's older and after having lost everything, he knows to take his meds and certainly the amount of medicinal marihuana he consumes keeps him in that kitty state.

He was calm in those Ruddock interviews lol. Some of the things he said were quite funny though.