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  • #81
    Originally posted by BKM- View Post
    They absolutely are. Tyson had been collecting belts by beating the same level of competition he beat during his first run in the 80s. He was very fast, explosive, punched in combinations and still had an iron chin, he nearly went the distance with Evander while taking a beating. Just because he wasn't the same pre-**** doesn't mean he was washed up.

    Evander was the one who was considered washed up, had way more fight mileage on him and was the underdog. This makes both fights ATG wins for him.
    Holyfield was more washed up, but he was still in a better stage of his career than Tyson, if you exclude the media hype. good wins but not ATG. You couldn't use those wins to understand where Holyfield ranks, where as Leonard vs Hearns 1 you could (atg win).

    Because Tyson had already been koed by Douglas and layed off due to Prison, a true boxing fan could hardly watch Holyfield beat him up and think damn this guy really proved a point.

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    • #82
      Originally posted by them_apples View Post
      Holyfield was more washed up, but he was still in a better stage of his career than Tyson, if you exclude the media hype. good wins but not ATG. You couldn't use those wins to understand where Holyfield ranks, where as Leonard vs Hearns 1 you could (atg win).

      Because Tyson had already been koed by Douglas and layed off due to Prison, a true boxing fan could hardly watch Holyfield beat him up and think damn this guy really proved a point.
      - -Without a mentally ill Tyson, Mr Field record suffers terribly.

      Even more amazing that years later and another prison stint, Lewis used a more diminished Mike to boost his milquetoast record and retire even as Mike had a mental breakdown in the prefight presser that caused a massive brawl.

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      • #83
        Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
        - -Without a mentally ill Tyson, Mr Field record suffers terribly.

        Even more amazing that years later and another prison stint, Lewis used a more diminished Mike to boost his milquetoast record and retire even as Mike had a mental breakdown in the prefight presser that caused a massive brawl.
        You're a psychologist now? Online? Is every fighter who gets in a fight at the press conference having a mental break down?

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        • #84
          Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post
          You're a psychologist now? Online? Is every fighter who gets in a fight at the press conference having a mental break down?
          Everyones a psychologist now? lol

          Reminds me of New York where I grew up... I thought every one of my friends were going to be comics!

          I mean... every time you pissed off an adult being cheeky? They all said "What are you a f u c ing comedian?"

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          • #85
            Originally posted by them_apples View Post
            Holyfield was more washed up, but he was still in a better stage of his career than Tyson, if you exclude the media hype. good wins but not ATG. You couldn't use those wins to understand where Holyfield ranks, where as Leonard vs Hearns 1 you could (atg win).

            Because Tyson had already been koed by Douglas and layed off due to Prison, a true boxing fan could hardly watch Holyfield beat him up and think damn this guy really proved a point.
            How can anyone know this?

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            • #86
              Originally posted by billeau2 View Post
              Everyones a psychologist now? lol

              Reminds me of New York where I grew up... I thought every one of my friends were going to be comics!

              I mean... every time you pissed off an adult being cheeky? They all said "What are you a f u c ing comedian?"
              LMAO.......Same thing in Rhode Island.

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              • #87
                Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post
                You're a psychologist now? Online? Is every fighter who gets in a fight at the press conference having a mental break down?
                - -U doltary crawling back for more is it?

                It was an on stage brawl with Mike vs Lewie and his half dozen beefsters and then the security guards.

                After it was finally busted up, he goes on a rant vs the media near tears as he impugns them in the most profane way possible.

                I worked with mentally ill kids for 3 years with a host of docs and nurses and social workers and seen a lot of things.

                Why U block me but come crawling back to me like a worm?

                Shameless?

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                • #88
                  Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
                  - -U doltary crawling back for more is it?

                  It was an on stage brawl with Mike vs Lewie and his half dozen beefsters and then the security guards.

                  After it was finally busted up, he goes on a rant vs the media near tears as he impugns them in the most profane way possible.

                  I worked with mentally ill kids for 3 years with a host of docs and nurses and social workers and seen a lot of things.

                  Why U block me but come crawling back to me like a worm?

                  Shameless?
                  Fights happen at weigh ins all the time. Did you really expect him to break character? This is Mike Tyson. The man sells fights thru intimidation....even when he knew he was going to lose.

                  Again, you have no basis for your claims. Tyson was on Zoloft....that's it. Unless of course you can find some hidden information no one else knows about. And millions of people have taken Zoloft. Let me guess... they've all been crazy, psychotic or mentally ill, right?

                  You're blocked because I'm not letting you soil my threads the way you do all others. At least you're speaking more coherently though. AA working out for you?

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                  • #89
                    Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post
                    Fights happen at weigh ins all the time. Did you really expect him to break character? This is Mike Tyson. The man sells fights thru intimidation....even when he knew he was going to lose.

                    Again, you have no basis for your claims. Tyson was on Zoloft....that's it. Unless of course you can find some hidden information no one else knows about. And millions of people have taken Zoloft. Let me guess... they've all been crazy, psychotic or mentally ill, right?

                    You're blocked because I'm not letting you soil my threads the way you do all others. At least you're speaking more coherently though. AA working out for you?
                    - -Pearls before U swine U beg for!

                    A riot ain't no orchestrated candy weighin slap broken up within 2 sec.

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                    • #90
                      Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
                      - -Pearls before U swine U beg for!

                      A riot ain't no orchestrated candy weighin slap broken up within 2 sec.
                      You still haven't explained how this made him mentally ill. And a riot takes many people, not just one. Are you claiming Tyson collaborated with everyone at the weigh in and orchestrated a riot? Tyson is responsible for himself only, not everyone else that was there. And yes, there have been brawls before weigh ins and even after fights. Are everyone involved in these things mentally ill or just Tyson?

                      Did you ever find any evidence Tyson was on "many experimental psychotropic drugs" besides the readily available Zoloft? I've been waiting weeks for you to get back to me on that. What's the hold up? Maybe you just like making up lies to try and feel important here, I don't know. Maybe it's you who is mentally ill.

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