Was Sam Langford the best fighter ever?

[Rusty Tromboni]

Its a fact you. Charles you might be able to argue he was still at a relative young age, at 33 but Moore? Neither guy was at their best years. marciano, who was a bona fide heavy was 30 by comparison, the apex age for a heavy weight.

Both men had been in many battles, and were not heavyweights but fighting to take percieved low hanging fruit.

OK, so show me when in their respective careers they were any better.

[HOUDINI563]

Langford beat a who’s who of the top fighters of his time and did so within the scope of many multiple weight divisions. He was only a middleweight/light heavyweight at best but koed heavyweights. Those heavyweights attest to his enormous punching power. Langford fought over one hundred years ago and died 70 years ago and today in 2020 is considered among the greatest p4p fighters ever to live.

No one, except you, will be talking about your hero Wilder 10 years from now. Let this sink into your pea brain before responding.

[HOUDINI563]

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[billeau2]

I dunno bud. Physical prime maybe but high point in their careers is harder to argue against for Moore than Charles.

Charles did okay, but not great, on his comeback from the Walcott losses

Moore on the other hand was in the middle of like a 20 fight win streak and was the current LHW champ, not a former.

Maybe not the highest, given he got KO'd in the end, but I wouldn't call it a low point. One of his best career win streaks, a championship run, only cut short because he tried himself in a weigh class above and other than not attaining a title off Marciano, Patterson, or Ali didn't do too damn bad.

Marciano, Patterson, and Ali is a hell of a title fight list of opponents. It's not like he was handed Braddock or Sharkey.

Moore was "that good." But if you look at the Marciano fight, one wonders how Archie would have done with more strength points in the bank so to speak. As good as Moore was, if he had been younger, fresher, I think it would have been a tangible benefit.

Also, look at the quality of opposition Moore fought after Marciano...minus the loss to Patterson. To me it shows a guy who maybe had a second, or third peak when he won the light heavy title from Maxim, Maxim not being a great fighter... Keeping in mind that even his battles with Murderer's row Black fighters like Howard Loyd, etc... well, none of them were getting younger by the time marciano was plying his trade... Moores win against a guy like Washington ten years ago from the Marciano fight was a lot more impressive than like, a year ago from the Marciano fight.

There is an old Memomism when learning Japanese language, to learn the vowels in Katakana, one of their alphabets: A (ahh) E (we) (oh) (soon) (ehh) get (uh) old... I think the Mongoose beat the odds for sure... but eventually? ah, we soon get old.

[billeau2]

OK, so show me when in their respective careers they were any better.

What do you mean "better?" Look at my post to marg...But anyone here can look at their records. Do your own research, its all there. I would not say better so much as assume the natural span of a career, and the physical limitations imposed by age, and fighting so many hard fights.

For example, as I posted to Marg... Moore was a phenom, but he was also minus physical attributes and it showed in subsequent fights.

[Rusty Tromboni]

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I hope that's not a video of Langford. Footage from the teens isn't to be trusted; the timing is different.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Langford beat a who’s who of the top fighters of his time and did so within the scope of many multiple weight divisions. He was only a middleweight/light heavyweight at best but koed heavyweights. Those heavyweights attest to his enormous punching power. Langford fought over one hundred years ago and died 70 years ago and today in 2020 is considered among the greatest p4p fighters ever to live.

All points I've plainly dismissed.

Yet Dumb Dumb the Coalburner perpetuates them none the less.

Now a 180 Pounder is a Middleweight.

Drawing with Walcott is beating a who's who across multiple weight divisions.

Fighting in only three weight divisions (the first two for a COMBINED five years, and winning no championships) is "many multiple divisions".


My own personal Glenn Close might be crazy, but Dumb Dumb really lives up to his name as just plain ******.


Now who's gonna tell me that Langford wasn't the Welfare Check version of Jimmy McLarnin.

[Rusty Tromboni]

What do you mean "better?" Look at my post to marg...But anyone here can look at their records. Do your own research, its all there. I would not say better so much as assume the natural span of a career, and the physical limitations imposed by age, and fighting so many hard fights.

For example, as I posted to Marg... Moore was a phenom, but he was also minus physical attributes and it showed in subsequent fights.

Is "running away" the Kata youse do to get your Black Belt?

The record shows: Moore's best weight was 190 pounds, and he was succeeding most heading into the Marciano fight.

I happily await your deflection.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Moore was "that good." But if you look at the Marciano fight, one wonders how Archie would have done with more strength points in the bank so to speak. As good as Moore was, if he had been younger, fresher, I think it would have been a tangible benefit.

Also, look at the quality of opposition Moore fought after Marciano...minus the loss to Patterson. To me it shows a guy who maybe had a second, or third peak when he won the light heavy title from Maxim, Maxim not being a great fighter... Keeping in mind that even his battles with Murderer's row Black fighters like Howard Loyd, etc... well, none of them were getting younger by the time marciano was plying his trade... Moores win against a guy like Washington ten years ago from the Marciano fight was a lot more impressive than like, a year ago from the Marciano fight.

There is an old Memomism when learning Japanese language, to learn the vowels in Katakana, one of their alphabets: A (ahh) E (we) (oh) (soon) (ehh) get (uh) old... I think the Mongoose beat the odds for sure... but eventually? ah, we soon get old.

Watching you discovering Boxing is like watching children learn to walk, comical in the moment yet sublimely beautiful in the abstract account of it all.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Langford beat a who’s who of the top fighters of his time and did so within the scope of many multiple weight divisions. He was only a middleweight/light heavyweight at best but koed heavyweights. Those heavyweights attest to his enormous punching power. Langford fought over one hundred years ago and died 70 years ago and today in 2020 is considered among the greatest p4p fighters ever to live.

No one, except you, will be talking about your hero Wilder 10 years from now. Let this sink into your pea brain before responding.

In just several years Terry McGovern proved himself the best fighter in the world all the way up to 133 pounds... while never being more than a Featherweight himself. He did this all at an age when Sam was just establishing himself as a contender. And there was no dis*****g his place on top of the heap as he never lost and won lopsided beatdowns.


And yet he's largely forgotten as he's exactly the antithesis of what the revisionists wish to celebrate. So keep up your appeal to popularity, and pretend that's not the fool's favorite fallacy, you little Coalburner.