Was Sam Langford the best fighter ever?

[JAB5239]

Merit? Seems like merit is the sole avenue Sam has no argument for Rock.

Skills, resume, things like that Sam can hold water and make a case. Merit? Um, one of them is the only undefeated HW champion in gloved history and the other is not even a recognized champion.


Personally I am willing to elevate the Colored, NSC, and IBU titles but until the boxing community agrees those titles are not equal or even close to Marciano's.

As far as heavyweight goes, I rank Marciano higher. But p4p Langford is arguably the greatest of all time based on his top notch wins from lightweight to heavyweight and longevity. You can't blame Sam for being shut out of title fights. Unless we're going to argue that he was just to good.

[Rusty Tromboni]

As far as heavyweight goes, I rank Marciano higher. But p4p Langford is arguably the greatest of all time based on his top notch wins from lightweight to heavyweight and longevity. You can't blame Sam for being shut out of title fights. Unless we're going to argue that he was just to good.

Which fights at Welterweight and Middleweight?


Both men were Heavyweights. I dunno what's so hard to understand.

Marciano beat MUCH better fighters. Marciano never lost - definitely not to hacks.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Sam beat Gans and should have gotten the nod vs the original Joe Walcott. He had wins over Philadelphia Jack Obrien, Kid Norfolk, Stanley Ketchel, Gunboat Smith, Dixie Kid, Jack Blackburn, George Godfrey. Sam held KO wins over all the top black heavyweight fighters of the day aside from Johnson. A who’s who of the greatest fighters of that era. Langford has been universally termed one of the greatest p4p fighters ever to live for many many decades. His ability to generate absurd punching power is documented by Harry Wills as one example. Your attempts to degrade Langford add more fuel to the fire that further illustrates your ignorance.

I gotta admit, it's actually impressive how you can still perpetuate the same myths after they have been explicitly dispelled. You have a special kind of ****** Strength, Dumb Dumb. I've never met anyone so impervious to fact. Somebody should give you a trophy.

Gee thanks... Now lets get you straight on some of the latest Blowhard crap you are sprouting. You cannot classify Langford's style next to Marciano because they fought two distinct styles of boxing. Sam fought in an era where footwork, distance, fighting in the clinches, was more emphasized. Marciano fought in the era of the puncher... different glove size, different way of throwing punches, etc.

It's cute that you think people will play along pretending that you actually know what you're talking about.

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Ridiculous thing to say... And I like both fighters, its not about the comparison. Saying something like that without qualifying it should be grounds for a pimp slap.

You were always the crazy ex-girlfriend who killed a guy's pet when he dumped you, weren't you?

[billeau2]

I gotta admit, it's actually impressive how you can still perpetuate the same myths after they have been explicitly dispelled. You have a special kind of ****** Strength, Dumb Dumb. I've never met anyone so impervious to fact. Somebody should give you a trophy.



It's cute that you think people will play along pretending that you actually know what you're talking about.




You were always the crazy ex-girlfriend who killed a guy's pet when he dumped you, weren't you?

Not even clever... Just the usual Hindenburg special. Different gas, same blowhard.

[JAB5239]

Which fights at Welterweight and Middleweight?


Both men were Heavyweights. I dunno what's so hard to understand.

Marciano beat MUCH better fighters. Marciano never lost - definitely not to hacks.

He drew with Joe Walcott, one of the greatest welterweights in history, and beat Stanley Ketchel. But you already know this. P4p, Marciano's resume isn't even close.

[billeau2]

He drew with Joe Walcott, one of the greatest welterweights in history, and beat Stanley Ketchel. But you already know this. P4p, Marciano's resume isn't even close.

No no Jab you misunderstand... Rusty has determined which fighters are better comp, and he is an expert! I know cuz he told me! I mean what more proof do you need? when Rusty tells us Sam couldn't hold Marciano's jockstrap... thats all the proof there is! and more!!

All those boxing experts that have debated these topics for ages, they got it wrong! They never met Rusty... see?

[Rusty Tromboni]

Not even clever... Just the usual Hindenburg special. Different gas, same blowhard.

Can you explain why crazy *****es like you kills guys pets?

I can understand the whole "if I can't have him, then no one can" mentality. It's still wrong. DON'T DO IT. But why kill your ex-boyfriend's dog just because he put a restraining order out against you?

Like has that ever worked? Has a guy ever told you, " now, that you killed my dog, I totally see how much you love me. Let's get back together!" Something makes me think not. But given your love to gab, I'm sure you'll clarify in depth.

[Rusty Tromboni]

He drew with Joe Walcott, one of the greatest welterweights in history, and beat Stanley Ketchel. But you already know this. P4p, Marciano's resume isn't even close.

It's cool how you can just make up facts.

How does that work for you IRL? I imagine that could be a lot of fun.... at first.

The Ketchel fight:
- wasn't a clear win for EITHER man.
- Ketchel's fast living seems to have caught up with him.
- Sam was the bigger, more experienced fighter.
- It was only SIX rounds.


The Walcott fight is arguably young Langford's most impressive performance. Does it stand out as exceptional? I dunno. He clearly still had some maturing to do before he reached his best.

I really do believe Sam was quite good.

But Marciano stopped Charles and Moore at their peak. Others, not me, rank them top 20, if not top 10, P4P. Can't say that about anyone Langford fought.

[Rusty Tromboni]

No no Jab you misunderstand... Rusty has determined which fighters are better comp, and he is an expert! I know cuz he told me! I mean what more proof do you need? when Rusty tells us Sam couldn't hold Marciano's jockstrap... thats all the proof there is! and more!!

All those boxing experts that have debated these topics for ages, they got it wrong! They never met Rusty... see?

Hey Stalker, I see you there! I'm gonna make sure to kiss another girl on the lips right in front of you, just to piss you off. Most likely it'll be a fat old nun, just to really rub the salt in the wound.


I'm NOT the one who ranks Moore and Charles top 20 P4P... that's everyone else!

[Rusty Tromboni]

Everyone saying Langford was the best fighter ever, what does that make Jimmy McLarnin? A god?