Another crappy list!! Opinions?

[JAB5239]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/boxin...box=1565699322

[BattlingNelson]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/boxin...box=1565699322

Yeah it's trash.

I'm kinda busy, but maybe we should have a thread for the all-time top 20 p4p as a sticky. If you, or someone else, can compile/find a decent list we can have that as a starting point.

I will then unstick the top 5 which is kinda useless IMO. A top 20 has the advantage that there's more to debate and some might want field a case for a contemporary fighter to make it to the list.

[LITTLE JOE]

I try not to get worked up over these opinion lists but.... this is funny LOL !
Basing the most blatant errors on a 5 ? rating system for absurdity. Oscar of course gets more....
Seems to me whomever put this list together was born in the 90's and threw in some old timers to try and show how objective he is.

1- Mayweather ?????
2 - Manny ?????
6 - Hopkins ?????
8 - Oscar ?????????????????????????????? - LOL ! Because we all know he was greater than Leonard,Hearns,Duran,Hagler,Pryor,Arguello,Sweet Pea,Holmes,Sal Sanchez etc etc

[The Old LefHook]

Greb Walker Dempsey Tunney Wilde Pep Steele Gibbons Welsh Hafey, etc., etc...

[QueensburyRules]

Yeah it's trash.

I'm kinda busy, but maybe we should have a thread for the all-time top 20 p4p as a sticky. If you, or someone else, can compile/find a decent list we can have that as a starting point.

I will then unstick the top 5 which is kinda useless IMO. A top 20 has the advantage that there's more to debate and some might want field a case for a contemporary fighter to make it to the list.

- -IBRO the most comprehensively compiled top 20 p4p on the planet, but 13 years old, ie missing all of Manny's Ring p4p records.

http://www.ibroresearch.com/2006/09/pound-for-pound/

Half them codgers moved on to Valhalla, so it's a new dawn and who can compile such a comprehensive updated p4p list in this dumbing down of the populace?

[JAB5239]

I can't find my old list so I pilfered this from McGrain. For those who don't know him he is one of the most historically knowledgeable boxing posters and historians I've come across in more than 20 years on different boxing forums. Our top 5 are the same, but there are things at a glance I disagree with on other placements. Anyway, when I get more time I will compile my top 20 list again. Until than I thought this was a good starting point for the topic.


01 - Sam Langford
02 - Harry Greb
03 - Sugar Ray Robinson
04 - Henry Armstrong
05 - Ezzard Charles
06 - Bob Fitzsimmons
07 - Muhammad Ali
08 - Joe Gans
09 - Joe Louis
10 - Roberto Duran.
11 - Benny Leonard
12 - Mickey Walker
13 - Willie Pep
14 - Barney Ross
15 - Archie Moore
16 - Ray Leonard
17 - George Dixon
18 - Terry McGovern
19 - Packey McFarland
20 - Pernell Whitaker

[JAB5239]

This is the IBRO top 20 for comparison.

1. Sugar Ray Robinson

2. Harry Greb

3. Henry Armstrong

4. Muhammad Ali (Tie)

4. Joe Louis (Tie)

6. Sam Langford

7. Roberto Duran

8. Benny Leonard

9. Willie Pep

10. Bob Fitzsimmons

11. Joe Gans

12. Ezzard Charles (Tie)

12. Sugar Ray Leonard (Tie)

14. Jimmy Wilde

15. Eder Jofre

16. Mickey Walker

17. Archie Moore

18. Jack Dempsey

19. Jack Johnson

20. Gene Tunney

[Anthony342]

Okay, I need a confirmation from one of you historians, but doesn't one of the ATG middleweights deserve to be on an all time top 20 pound for pound list, like Carlos Monzon, considered the best middleweight of all time and maybe also Hagler?

And it's interesting you mention sticky lists because I was actually going to not only ask if you were going to post one, but also if you were going to do separate ones for different weight classes for heavyweight, light heavy, middle, welter and light. Do you think you guys would do stick lists for those or just pound for pound?

Also, I was thinking of maybe a list of boxing facts, like basic things to know for new fans that want to know about boxing history you guys could maybe post in some kind of sticky topic. Maybe even like an FAQ list like whose considered the best pound for pound boxer of all time and it would say Sugar Ray Robinson aka SRR, stuff like that. I was thinking of typing out some stuff for myself and saving it either way and calling it "What Did I Learn So Far in the Boxing Scene History Section". It would probably have things like who the best pound for pound boxer of all time is, whose considered the best at those weight classes, best resumes, stuff like that I've read in posts here over the years since 2010 that I can remember.

[OctoberRed]

Yeah, not the best of lists

[QueensburyRules]

- -Am I imagining there used to be a top 5 P4P list stickied?

Archived now in a dustbin?