unheralded/unknown challengers dominating a champion

[Rusty Tromboni]

Herrara wasn't a known entity when he beat Olivares, right?

Was anyone expecting Turpin to beat Robinson? Like any chance at all?

[Rusty Tromboni]

Hagler gets lots of credit for his work in the Philly circuit, but was he really a hot topic when he beat the Pisan? That was a pretty sound victory by Hagler. I think I scored it almost entirely for hagler, except 4 or 5 rounds. Pretty corrupt decision.

I dunno if Hagler was unherladed or unknown, but I believe he was a stiff underdog.

[Mario040481]

Herrara wasn't a known entity when he beat Olivares, right?

Was anyone expecting Turpin to beat Robinson? Like any chance at all?

Yeah, I've not watched there first fight, but reading the page about it on boxrec just the other day, it certainly sounds that this was very much the case, as he made $10,000 to Ruben's $70,000, and they've him quoted as saying to Ruben afterwards, "I'm sorry I beat you , but I need the money."
Sounds very much like the words of someone who not only wasn't expected to win, but like someone who may not have 100% expected himself to win

[Rusty Tromboni]

Yeah, I've not watched there first fight, but reading the page about it on boxrec just the other day, it certainly sounds that this was very much the case, as he made $10,000 to Ruben's $70,000, and they've him quoted as saying to Ruben afterwards, "I'm sorry I beat you , but I need the money."
Sounds very much like the words of someone who not only wasn't expected to win, but like someone who may not have 100% expected himself to win

Yeah, Olivares finally fell victim to the scale.

Jofre lost to the scale before losing to Harada. Harada lost to the scale before losing to Rose. Rose lost to the scale before losing to Olivares... while some/all of those might qualify for what the O.P. is looking for, I don't think any of those usurpers was such an underdog as Herrara.

[Mario040481]

Yeah, Olivares finally fell victim to the scale.

Jofre lost to the scale before losing to Harada. Harada lost to the scale before losing to Rose. Rose lost to the scale before losing to Olivares... while some/all of those might qualify for what the O.P. is looking for, I don't think any of those usurpers was such an underdog as Herrara.

As the OP, I just was kinda bored, the question came to mind from who knows where, was curious to hear what others thought, Im relatively new here, love the sport but don't have a single "real" friend who cares anything about boxing, so if Im wanting to "talk" boxing with others, its gotta be online.

[Rusty Tromboni]

As the OP, I just was kinda bored, the question came to mind from who knows where, was curious to hear what others thought, Im relatively new here, love the sport but don't have a single "real" friend who cares anything about boxing, so if Im wanting to "talk" boxing with others, its gotta be online.

welcome.

it's a great thread.

Have you followed Bantamweight history? It's pretty cool. But there is the unfortunate fact that many champs met their best opponent when they had out-grown the division. Coming from Wrestling, I have always argued that the lowest of the original 8 weight divisions were too far spaced apart.

[Mario040481]

welcome.

it's a great thread.

Have you followed Bantamweight history? It's pretty cool. But there is the unfortunate fact that many champs met their best opponent when they had out-grown the division. Coming from Wrestling, I have always argued that the lowest of the original 8 weight divisions were too far spaced apart.

Actually, to be honest, having the last name Sanchez, and an uncle named Salvador (he's a racist **** unfortunately, not a cool guy, but loves his boxing) that was a name I'd always known to be associated with a fighter, even as a young, young kid (38 now) but I'd gotten away from boxing in high school times. Anywho, my dad passed almost 2 yrs ago, and seriously, watching boxing on youtube really helped save a good bit of my sanity cause anytime nothing occupied my brain, thoughts went the wrong way. So dad passed and I made an concerted effort to watch Salvador's available fights. and from there I continued with a lot of other featherweight fighters and history from Arguello beating Olivares up through
close to current era. By no means do I claim to have seen enough to gain more than a base, base knowledge! So, through Arguello beating Olivares, and also having read he'd been stopped by "Little Red" (side note: watching Olivares vs Lopez is what i hate seeing most when a legend ends up fighting that guy who just is noticeably quite bigger, it's like myth smashing, Olivares looks like he's got a cap gun in there. Is this basically the outgrowing division issue you mentioned?) I decided to look into Olivares bantam champ reign, and I've been over the last 2-ish months or so trying to find what Olivares fights I can find online, and unfortunately I have learned it is rather scant, least in my opinion considering he'd more than a hundred fights and was in the last era when even champions were still having 6-8 fights a yr. I skip around all over though. Also been watching some Zarate fights. so yes, Ive been checking out lower weight class stuff (nothing really below bantam though just yet) from the late 60's on up. So far, Id say my favorite fight of the areas I just wrote about is Ruben Olivares vs Kazuyoshi Kanazawa II.
And yourself?

[QueensburyRules]

Look maybe your memory has faded a bit... that fight was many years ago. Back when guys didn't pull a bag over your head before giving you the business. So you could be forgiven for your mental absence.

But the fact is Leon was more heralded coming out of the gate. He was presumed the bigger puncher, and Michael's creative/awkward style hadn't been fully appreciated in the amateurs.

- -Toothless Leon was a clown like you, but he was slapstick lovable whereas you just miserably boring, different levels of clownmanship.

[QueensburyRules]

- -Jimmy McLarnin only 17 when he beat Pancho Villa. Pretty sure nobody saw that coming.

[billeau2]

This one fits this category perfect.

Dave “ TNT Tiberi
VS
James “ lights out Toney.

ABC wide world of sports from Atlantic City.

Possibly the worst Decision in Boxing History.

You tube this fight and you will cry for Tiberi who fought the fight of his life and his last fight I

As the late Burt Sugar said after this fight , “ Boxing has so many black eyes , it’s running out of eyes .”
And that’s that

Great pic! Yes indeed.