Holyfield in interview: I'd tear Joe Louis Up

[Mr.MojoRisin']

What's a tile reign?

Supervisor of the flooring dept at Home Depot

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Dude faced the likes of Bowe, Tyson, Lewis etc

He won 3/7 of those fights. Less than 50%. Not to mention he got hit with 42% of old Foreman's punches and 50% of Bowe's punches in the first fight. Louis was way better and more accurate than those two.

Louis had the bum of the month tour.

It wasn't named after the quality of opposition. You must be new to the sport.

[HOUDINI563]

No one is discussing health effects. We are discussing the evolution of Roids in sports. Back in the 70's I watched many an athlete take injections from untrained people off the street literally. No way of knowing the overall effect just in an effort to gain an edge. Today Roids are a science. The chemistry and its effect understood and with specific programs to boost their effect. Huge difference that is incomparable.

[QueensburyRules]

You know nothing of science. Doctors are not scientists. Pre 1980 give or take Roids were taken in a "back alley" approach to improving recovery time post workout. Today it's a full blown science with athletes knowing which products to take and when and in what specific doses.

--- Oh, Houdoo Voodoo science is is now?

Docs take most all the same courses as science majors, my major, and academically they tend to be a lot smarter due to the competitive, no holds barred nature of the medical profession and they're exposed to a hell of a lot more drugs than 99.9% of the scientists who ever lived.

You remind me of kids who learn their ABCs and 123s and think they're literate math wizards.

In the modern BALCO/TUE drug cheating, drug testing cartel generation , the following should be stricken from the historical record as proven drug cheats:

Victor McLaglen




Who da Lump and who da champ:

[QueensburyRules]

You know nothing of science. Doctors are not scientists. Pre 1980 give or take Roids were taken in a "back alley" approach to improving recovery time post workout. Today it's a full blown science with athletes knowing which products to take and when and in what specific doses.

--- Sam McVea or Young Iron Mike?





Barbodos Joe fought as low as 133, so he's obviously a drug cheat:

[QueensburyRules]

You know nothing of science. Doctors are not scientists. Pre 1980 give or take Roids were taken in a "back alley" approach to improving recovery time post workout. Today it's a full blown science with athletes knowing which products to take and when and in what specific doses.

--- Primo guaranteed to be on extra HGH because of his MEDICAL diagnosis of gigantism. Today the drug ****s would insist on leveling the playing field with the injections of some ****tail they make up to reduce the PED effects like they did to that female track star who passed all their drug tests and sex test but produced abnormal amounts of testosterone. Pretty soon they'' be chopping or stretching us to make us all the same size. You can't make this stuff up as truth is always been stranger than fiction, esp on this board!



Primo's buddy in crime, Abe Simon:





Battling Siki weren't just an alcoholic, he was drug cheat!

[QueensburyRules]

You know nothing of science. Doctors are not scientists. Pre 1980 give or take Roids were taken in a "back alley" approach to improving recovery time post workout. Today it's a full blown science with athletes knowing which products to take and when and in what specific doses.

--- 20 yr old Jim Jeffries:





For you

[HOUDINI563]

Your posts make absolutely no sense. Again Roids today are not Roids from the 70s-80's. Whether specific athletes all through history were built and cut have nothing to do with this discussion.

[QueensburyRules]

--- Mo' HooDoo VooDoo BALCO/TUE drug cheatism from you again is it? Are you man or mouse?

Gotta a bunch of untutored holier than thou white gloved critics convicting drug cheats based on visual observation and/or ninny grams of contamination in a world now filled with the contamination of water sources and food stuffs by big pharma and the ag biz.

Yer up to yer eyeballs and could never pass a vada regimen that most every person in the world couldn't pass.

Can you imagine the brouhaha if vada and USADA tested each other in complete transparency with test results online subjected to public commentary?

Yes I could and demand it before they are allowed another spurious drug test with them ganging up on yer scrawny veins...

You know you'd get the 19th century vapors and faint dead away!

[HOUDINI563]

I won't debate a moron who cannot write cohesive English.