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    It happens again and again--Rocky continues punching after the bell. The thicker the battle the more likely he is to commit the offense, which is normal after all. But still it happens a lot with Rocky. Are all the occasions attributable to the Rock's special exuberance, or does he ignore the bell on purpose sometimes? I think he loved to fight even more than Duran loved it.

    It is a good time to bring up another untouchable subject--Was Rock really as clean a fighter as he is always given credit for by the fourth estate?

    A pulverizing forearm smash to the back of the neck to finish Charles off is a good example of what he got away with. Was he ever even warned for anything the entire blessed career?

    When opponents are hurt and bent over the Rock goes for the back of the neck more often than he tries the uppercut. Hit 'em anywhere you can, is supposed to exclude a few areas.

    The question is serious but not accusatory. Rock was a gentleman and a sportsman, I believe, but his sport requires killer instinct, and when you are killing a man in the ring you just get it done. You are not listening for bells. You may not hear them when they do ring. That is your fault too for making crowds roar the way you do.

    He overwhelms opponents and crowds alike with activity, forcing them to struggle with him at all moments. He really resists hard when you try to tie him up, making you work strenuously if you want to keep him. He just keeps swinging once he is fully on the kill. You will not ever see anything like the fury of him finishing Charles and Moore. Even when he is missing you he wears you out. He will not stop. Once he is fully in attack mode you can't get a punch in edge-wise.

    Swarmers with one punch kayo power are almost non existent in boxing. Stamina like Marciano's is nearly non existent in boxing history as well. But then when it comes to beard you would have to place him in the top 10 AT too.

    Moore commented that he thought the Rock would be a cinch to smash with his lefhook. But when he was in there against him he found the lefhook hard to land. He says this, and you can see it for yourself in the film that his jab seems to work against Marciano but for some reason the hook does not seem to, as well anyway.

    My point is, the Rock threw a lot of powerful rabbit punches. I suppose they were just part of the package of his exuberance for war. Today some of those infractions might cost him a fight. I am not sure if the tap to the dead Walcott would, but there are other more grievous instances of illegal touching. Forearms to the back of the neck are very dangerous. Mrs. Charles at ringside must have headed for the shítter.

    Marciano hardly ever strayed low that I can observe. There is a reason for this that you never see mentioned--the Rock was a headhunter. He was not someone like Errol Spence that targets the body systematically. He was shooting for the head most of the time but he took anything that was up high. Otherwise the Rock probably would have strayed low a lot more often, given his well known (ahem!) exuberance. Strangely, he does not seem to throw many body punches. Maybe only 10% of his punches are meant to be body punches. He was a believer in the reverse Langford: Kill the head and the body dies.
    Last edited by The Old LefHook; 05-30-2018, 04:37 PM.

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    Originally posted by The Old LefHook View Post

    The question is serious but not accusatory. Rock was a gentleman and a sportsman, I believe, but his sport requires killer instinct, and when you are killing a man in the ring you just get it done. You are not listening for bells. You may not hear them when they do ring. That is your fault too for making crowds roar the way you do.
    Dempsey Favors a Gun to Close Each Round




    P.S. They had ring-post lights by the early forties?

    P.S.S. . . . and a siren? In the 1940s, I am surprised. I guess MSGarden was cutting edge technology.
    Last edited by Dempsey-Louis; 05-30-2018, 05:54 PM.

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    • #3
      That is quite a good idea. Any man punching after the gun can then be penalized.

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      • #4
        Eardrums are probably already ringing like crazy with another musical tone.

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        • #5
          Speaking only of myself from many moons ago in my amateur days, I never heard much in the ring except my own breathing and my opponents punches thudding on me. In the heat of the moment at the end of a round it's very easy to not hear the bell when you're so caught up in the action. I personally don't think Rocky was ever intentionally dirty, but who can really be sure without being in another man's head. Jmo.

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          • #6
            I think he was very dirty. At the very lest by todays standards. Leading with head, headbutting, ducking below the waist, rabbit punches just to name a few of his standard tactics.

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            • #7
              ^Thats his only loss too, illegal nut shot in the amateurs got him dq'd I think.

              He was such a nice guy that people give him a pass. I do wonder how Rocky became so brutal in the ring.

              Originally posted by The Old LefHook View Post
              That is quite a good idea. Any man punching after the gun can then be penalized.
              Yeah they can then get shot.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by The Old LefHook View Post
                It happens again and again--Rocky continues punching after the bell. The thicker the battle the more likely he is to commit the offense, which is normal after all. But still it happens a lot with Rocky. Are all the occasions attributable to the Rock's special exuberance, or does he ignore the bell on purpose sometimes? I think he loved to fight even more than Duran loved it.

                It is a good time to bring up another untouchable subject--Was Rock really as clean a fighter as he is always given credit for by the fourth estate?

                A pulverizing forearm smash to the back of the neck to finish Charles off is a good example of what he got away with. Was he ever even warned for anything the entire blessed career?

                When opponents are hurt and bent over the Rock goes for the back of the neck more often than he tries the uppercut. Hit 'em anywhere you can, is supposed to exclude a few areas.

                The question is serious but not accusatory. Rock was a gentleman and a sportsman, I believe, but his sport requires killer instinct, and when you are killing a man in the ring you just get it done. You are not listening for bells. You may not hear them when they do ring. That is your fault too for making crowds roar the way you do.

                He overwhelms opponents and crowds alike with activity, forcing them to struggle with him at all moments. He really resists hard when you try to tie him up, making you work strenuously if you want to keep him. He just keeps swinging once he is fully on the kill. You will not ever see anything like the fury of him finishing Charles and Moore. Even when he is missing you he wears you out. He will not stop. Once he is fully in attack mode you can't get a punch in edge-wise.

                Swarmers with one punch kayo power are almost non existent in boxing. Stamina like Marciano's is nearly non existent in boxing history as well. But then when it comes to beard you would have to place him in the top 10 AT too.

                Moore commented that he thought the Rock would be a cinch to smash with his lefhook. But when he was in there against him he found the lefhook hard to land. He says this, and you can see it for yourself in the film that his jab seems to work against Marciano but for some reason the hook does not seem to, as well anyway.

                My point is, the Rock threw a lot of powerful rabbit punches. I suppose they were just part of the package of his exuberance for war. Today some of those infractions might cost him a fight. I am not sure if the tap to the dead Walcott would, but there are other more grievous instances of illegal touching. Forearms to the back of the neck are very dangerous. Mrs. Charles at ringside must have headed for the shítter.

                Marciano hardly ever strayed low that I can observe. There is a reason for this that you never see mentioned--the Rock was a headhunter. He was not someone like Errol Spence that targets the body systematically. He was shooting for the head most of the time but he took anything that was up high. Otherwise the Rock probably would have strayed low a lot more often, given his well known (ahem!) exuberance. Strangely, he does not seem to throw many body punches. Maybe only 10% of his punches are meant to be body punches. He was a believer in the reverse Langford: Kill the head and the body dies.
                Marciano was short for a HW, even by the standards of his own era, so he wouldn't have been able to land so many punches to the back of the head if his opponents hadn't been ducking low .. probably desperate to try and get some respite from his relentless blitzkrieg attacks, which just went on and on and on ..

                Refs are more strict about the rules nowadays, but they will still usually excuse shots landing on the back of the head if the opponent is ducking and weaving while that shot is being delivered. And refs were a lot more easy going with the rules in Marciano's day than they are now.

                As for punching after the bell ... I would say that was more a case of "tunnel hearing" when his blood was up, rather than cynical cheating.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BattlingNelson View Post
                  I think he was very dirty. At the very lest by todays standards. Leading with head, headbutting, ducking below the waist, rabbit punches just to name a few of his standard tactics.
                  A man has to get pretty low to duck beneath his own waist. Not sure if Rocky was actually guilty of that one. He was certainly close quite often. Personally, I do not see any good reason for not being allowed to duck beneath your own waist, unless it operates under the theory that you might get punched in the back of the head if you are bent over that far. I do not see a good reason for it.

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                  • #10
                    --- Tyson ducked below waist line in his early days. Btw, I believe the rule below the opponent waistline. Hence everyone having to stand up against Valuev.

                    Regardless, it's one of many boxing rules seldom enforced. TUE near bounced his noggin off the canvas avoiding JMMarquez right hands.

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