Marciano unbeatable?

[uncle ben]

Sorry, Evander Holy would have beat the Rock for the cruiser belt imo.
Michael Spinks might have some opinion as well.
Bob Foster might have kept him away for 15 rds.

I'd say that Spinks would have the best chance because of his style.

[The Old LefHook]

Let a man tell you boys how it is. Marciano is the best conditioned fighter ever, bar none. Neither Louis or Dempsey are up for second place in that category. Henry Armstrong is up for second place. That is just for starters.

Rocky may have the hardest punch of any heavyweight, and he may take the hardest punch. T-Rock also has a deceptively good defense. He also wants to win worse than any fighter. No other fighter would have continued against Charles, with their damned corner pouring rubber cement in his nose to hold it together on his face when it was laid open like a two dollar suitcase. In short, Rocky is flat tougher than any man who ever boxed. Others pay mere lip service to the notion of dying rather than losing. Not T-Rock, folks. Do yourself a big favor and find a picture of his nose after the Charles fight so that you will finally understand Marciano. To understand Marciano you have to see what he was willing to fight through in order to win. You will not even believe his condition, if you have never seen it before.

I will tell you one thing for a fact. The Klits and every other heavyweight you know of would have quit that fight with their nose like that and taken no backlash for it. Not the Rock. He stayed in and prevailed.

[OCPancho]

Let a man tell you boys how it is. Marciano is the best conditioned fighter ever, bar none. Neither Louis or Dempsey are up for second place in that category. Henry Armstrong is up for second place. That is just for starters.

Rocky may have the hardest punch of any heavyweight, and he may take the hardest punch. T-Rock also has a deceptively good defense. He also wants to win worse than any fighter. No other fighter would have continued against Charles, with their damned corner pouring rubber cement in his nose to hold it together on his face when it was laid open like a two dollar suitcase. In short, Rocky is flat tougher than any man who ever boxed. Others pay mere lip service to the notion of dying rather than losing. Not T-Rock, folks. Do yourself a big favor and find a picture of his nose after the Charles fight so that you will finally understand Marciano. To understand Marciano you have to see what he was willing to fight through in order to win. You will not even believe his condition, if you have never seen it before.

I will tell you one thing for a fact. The Klits and every other heavyweight you know of would have quit that fight with their nose like that and taken no backlash for it. Not the Rock. He stayed in and prevailed.

The man was a 180 pounder .
Please , his legend and myth are just like Bruce Lee and Jim Croce .
Greatness overly magnified after death .
There is no way he had the hardest punch ever .
He fought during the era of 6 oz free thumb Ben Lee gloves .
The Klit brothers fought in the era of 10 oz locked thumb multi-layered boxing gloves .
It would be physically impossible for Rocky to hit harder than Vlady's right cross.
And there is no way his chin was better than Tex Cobb or Chuvalo imo.
Archie Moore knocked him down.

[OCPancho]

I'd say that Spinks would have the best chance because of his style.

Holyfield's outside game and his rhythm would have been a huge problem for Rocky.
Even if he stayed low .
Qawi had one of the best defense ever.
And he moved his head way better than Rocky.
Holy still beat him .

[QueensburyRules]

--- pancho, where's lefty?

Had Charles and JJ been feasting on the Field patsies instead of themselves, they could've extended their careers.

Rock beats qawi for an appetizer and then rolls thru field like a cream puff. 10-7-2 paper title heavy record eh? Put Rock on field vitamins and you'd create the Hulk from hell.

Give it up. Yer boy field grossly overrated drug fighter.

[ShoulderRoll]

No, he wasn't unbeatable.

The old timers who witnessed the complete careers of both men always ranked Dempsey far above Marciano.

I'd wager that Gene Tunney would probably box circles around The Rock, too.

[HOUDINI563]

Understand that the Klits without Roids would have been tall and lanky in Marciano era. With his ultra low crouch the Klits would never have found range vs Rocky. Neither Klit had the heart of a champion so in deep water they lose.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

The man was a 180 pounder .

Marciano weighed at or below 180 lbs only 6 times in his entire career. The last was in 1949 against Vingo.

Marciano's strength, power, and durability were clearly above and beyond for someone of his size. His conditioning is of the highest standard whereas any superheavyweight you can think of like Klitschko, Lewis, Joshua, or whoever has conditioning of the lowest sort. Size means nothing if you can't fight hard for more than a few rounds. Marciano fought hard for 15 rounds. His power was clearly on the level for that of any hard hitter you think of at heavyweight because he annihilated so many game fighters.

Tell me, did you know that the size of Marciano's and Liston's opponents are the same? Crunch the numbers you'll see. Do you give Liston the same amount of backlash? Marciano beat far better opponents than Liston ever did yet you wouldn't dare challenge his credibility as a legitimate heavyweight.

[QueensburyRules]

--- I'm big on tradition too, but there's a reason why 215lb heavy champs went from spare and sparse to slim and none with slim vacating the premises.

Rocky couldn't beat Valuev much less Lewis and the Ks, but I'd make him even against Big Dummy Bowe.

If size didn't matter, Loma reigns supreme. P4P maybe, but he like most fighter can only occupy a niche.

[HOUDINI563]

Size means allot in lower weight divisions. Marciano at 187 or Dempsey or Louis could KO any fighter at any given time regardless of weight. Over and above this we have three ATG with ATG will to win. Klits without ROIDS would be lanky hwts always looking for the exit when hurt. That's the difference.