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he does? like tommy hearns, for example. but he's not smaller than ray leonard, is he? or even marvin hagler, who never fought above MW for a reason
wilder and louis have the same size calf
yeah, louis had a larger thigh, but did it matter? who hits harder? who fights bigger guys regularly? who carries more body fat while weighing 15-20 lbs less?
the point that wilder, who has 10 inches of reach, is 4-5 inches taller, and who typically outweighs louis in spite of being leaner, is a much, much bigger guy, and would absolutely dwarf louis if they stood next to each other [ or boxed.]
and yes, louis still knocks him out. wilder can hardly box. but that doesn't mean these guys are the same size, because they are not!!!
does the man hit hard or not? and has he taken all of the punishment he's needed thus far to stay upright? they're not carrying bundles of roofing, after all.
wilder and louis have the same size calf
yeah, louis had a larger thigh, but did it matter? who hits harder? who fights bigger guys regularly? who carries more body fat while weighing 15-20 lbs less?
the point that wilder, who has 10 inches of reach, is 4-5 inches taller, and who typically outweighs louis in spite of being leaner, is a much, much bigger guy, and would absolutely dwarf louis if they stood next to each other [ or boxed.]
and yes, louis still knocks him out. wilder can hardly box. but that doesn't mean these guys are the same size, because they are not!!!
does the man hit hard or not? and has he taken all of the punishment he's needed thus far to stay upright? they're not carrying bundles of roofing, after all.
I agree with you on Wilder's talents. It matters as to how you categorize. As a boxer Wilder is not very talented. His talent is his punch and that is what he will live and die by. I would agree that if I am in his corner that is what we would work on. I would want him to thow a lead, something that resembles a jab but is thrown, at times, like Liston threw his jab (as more of a lead designed to take the person out).
Wilder imo is like Haye...a talented athlete, with very few attributes as a boxer, but an ambush puncher...Both Haye and Wilder can get you from across the ring with their punch. Haye has fleet of foot, Wilder has a wild approach where it is hard to guage where the punch is coming from. Try to put on some gloves some time with a friend and have him throw a fast straight punch, once you get a hang for it you can block it.
next have the same guy throw a punch with the arm slightly crooked coming from the back leg with full force. It is very hard to get your distance, timing and positioning right to deal with this punch, even though it should be easy to avoid. Now when Wilder starts running towards you and throws that punch, there is no way to see where he is going with it...if you watch him slo mo he throws at times from the hip, from the shoulder, from above (the most anatomically correct way to generate power on a strike).
So Wilder has his methods and they are a puncher's ways. Now one would assume that a fighter who has developed and learned skills as such would be able to deal with Wilder's punch by avoiding it. That is why it is relevant to look at a guy like Joshua and understand that he should have the talent to avoid this big strike.
One other thing: traditionally punchers are not always the biggest guys, They are often rangy...think Bob Foster, Foreman, even Liston really considering his reach.
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