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  • Originally posted by Abe Attell
    Who would you say was Marciano's biggest name opponents?

    Archie Moore?
    Jersey Joe Walcott?
    Ezzard Charles?
    Joe Louis?
    Roland LaStarza?

    LaStarza is probably the only guy that Marciano faced that was young and was in his "Prime"

    A knock on Marciano is that he fought guys later in their careers; but it wasn't like Marciano had a choice, it was just the time in which he fought.

    It is best to measure Marciano as a Cruiserweight, and maybe a lightheavyweight if you go by today's standards of being able to drop 10-15lbs of water weight for the weighin, then gain it back for fight time, making you 185+
    Marciano weighed a lean 188 in his prime, he had little fat and no water weight. That was in the 50's when fighters trained hard and kept a within a certain weight range. Marciano never fought below 185 in his prime and never above 189. By todays standards yes he would be a Crusierweight, but with todays training methods and supplements he would be well over 190 pounds of lean muscle. He'd most likely be closer to 200.

    I think Walcott was more prime then lastarza,

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    • Originally posted by RockyMarcianofan00
      Marciano weighed a lean 188 in his prime, he had little fat and no water weight. That was in the 50's when fighters trained hard and kept a within a certain weight range. Marciano never fought below 185 in his prime and never above 189. By todays standards yes he would be a Crusierweight, but with todays training methods and supplements he would be well over 190 pounds of lean muscle. He'd most likely be closer to 200.

      I think Walcott was more prime then lastarza,
      Everybody carries water weight, if you don't, you die

      Ever see a fighter named Roy Jones?
      Does he look like he can lose any weight for a weighin?
      He looks a lot more ripped than Marciano, and he manages to drain 10lbs out of his system for weighin time.

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      • Originally posted by IronMike91
        almost all the white boxers, imho.
        hmmm let me guess your a black guy who adores tyson

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        • Originally posted by Abe Attell
          Everybody carries water weight, if you don't, you die

          Ever see a fighter named Roy Jones?
          Does he look like he can lose any weight for a weighin?
          He looks a lot more ripped than Marciano, and he manages to drain 10lbs out of his system for weighin time.
          no but thats exactly what i'm saying- Marciano was a lean 180, basically all muscle and if he took any weight off for a way in it would be unhealthy to do.

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          • that is pretty dam lean, wouldn't ya say?

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            • ali, liston, tyson.

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              • i feel antonio tarver is...cus he beat jones ppl love him

                and ali is abit over rated

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                • Mike Tyson is the most over-rated fighter. Even in his hey-day, he had troubles with mediocre club fighters who knew how to box. James Quick Tillis gave him trouble, Mitch Blood Green, Donovan Razor Ruddock, alot of these guys were bums, Bonecrusher Smith, it's a long list.

                  When the baddest man finally fought a truly skilled heavy who had his **** together, he was totally exposed as the circus act that he was.

                  Mike had devastating power, but he never had the heart of a champion. If you compare the hype to his actual performances in defining fights, it's easy to say he was over rated.

                  The 2nd most over rated guy I could think of in the last 30 years was Gerry Cooney.

                  At the time, Cooney was billed as great fighter, but crumbled under pressure, even to the likes of Michael Spinx.

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                  • abe,


                    walcott and moore were at/near there primes when they fought marciano

                    charles was past his prime but was still a great fighter when he fought marciano and was the # 1 contender going into the first marciano fight. charles put on a preformance that would have toppled many champions yet marciano emerged victory.



                    moore may have been 38 but.........

                    beat 29 year old 6'3 215lb # 1 ranked nino valdes

                    beat 27 year old 6'2 215lb # 2 ranked bob baker

                    beat 25 year old 6'1 190lb # 4 ranked clarence henry


                    so moore may have been 38, but he was beating all the best YOUNG contenders out there

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                    • Chris Eubank.

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