Hearns should be in the top 3 best ww's of all time

[New England]

fight wasn't a 12 rounder. never understood that argument. it was a 15 rounder, and ray needed 14 rounds to finish the job.




but yes, discountinga ccomplishments i'd say that there are only two WW's i'd favor over hearns, and they're robinson and leonard. leonard actually got the W, and robinson would have the chin and the power, just as leonard did, to weather storms and eventually get to tommy's underrated but not granite chin.

[them_apples]

One lefhook from Mickey Walker probably ends Tommy's night. But I agree, there are not many who could take him.

When were the weigh-ins in Tommy's era? Weren't they still a day before the fight? I can't remember. If that is the case, I do not see how he could make weight to fight any welterweights under the real rules. Today's rules are completely phony and negate the principle of weight classes. Why have weight classes at all? Let's have the weigh-ins one week before the fight so the fighters will have plenty of time to rehydrate from 135 to 160.

I am not sure Hearns was actually a welterweight in a real world. At middleweight he would not crack to the top five.

they were same day weigh in back then. but he was known to cut a **** ton of waterweight beforehand. SRL said he looked like he went up a few weight classes on fight night.

[them_apples]

fight wasn't a 12 rounder. never understood that argument. it was a 15 rounder, and ray needed 14 rounds to finish the job.




but yes, discountinga ccomplishments i'd say that there are only two WW's i'd favor over hearns, and they're robinson and leonard. leonard actually got the W, and robinson would have the chin and the power, just as leonard did, to weather storms and eventually get to tommy's underrated but not granite chin.

my point being though, SRL may not have got the W in a 12 rounder. Obviously SRR did come to mind when I thought about who could beat Hearns, but he's a shade slower than SRL but has a better chin, a bit more size and punching power. I would say he had a tendency to mix it up a bit more as well. I think SRR would weather an early beating and KO hearns though, because fighters from his era seemed to have balls like that. Besides him though, I don't know who beats him. Maybe a peak shape Duran.

[New England]

my point being though, SRL may not have got the W in a 12 rounder. Obviously SRR did come to mind when I thought about who could beat Hearns, but he's a shade slower than SRL but has a better chin, a bit more size and punching power. I would say he had a tendency to mix it up a bit more as well. I think SRR would weather an early beating and KO hearns though, because fighters from his era seemed to have balls like that. Besides him though, I don't know who beats him. Maybe a peak shape Duran.

this is never talked about for some reason, but they also had smelling salts

[them_apples]

this is never talked about for some reason, but they also had smelling salts

HAHA. I think really it's just the times they grew up in. Much tougher times and a different mentality. training was purely functional too and not a fashion show. I did Haye bailing one summer and that **** makes you ****** strong. I know this was a common job back then too. Or hammering railroad spikes 12 hours a day lol.

[soul_survivor]

I'd kinda agree, Robinson, Leonard and Hearns.

But Hearns could be replaced bu a handful of other fighters but that's a very small list so no problem in him being third.

Let's not forget Oscar and Tito either.

[The Old LefHook]

I would give Oscar a better chance than Tito because of speed and that lefhook. His lefhook was potent enough to leave Tommy cold on the floor, piss dribbling from the corner of his trunks as his foot shakes like Ingo's.

[The Old LefHook]

I would also have to expect Langford to give a decent account of himself. If he survived Jack Johonson's blows, I don't think we have to worry greatly about Tommy's single firepower in this one. Sam could still take an awful beating. None of those heavyweights he faced had the speed of combo Tommy had. Tommy could go through a captain's seafood combo in minutes. But wait, Sam knocked a lot of big heavyweights out, and he was no slowpoke himself. This would be a fight. Can you imagine Duran and Langford going at it when Sam was young and could make welterweight? They were the same height. No awkward-to-consider, 6'2" Tommy to make visualization difficult..

[The Old LefHook]

There are many off weight matches I would like to view in the afterlife. Tommy against such fighters as slow Harry Wills and fast Gene Tunney, would be two of them. In my own fiction some of these matchups have occurred. My best, though, was Marciano versus Liston, which I wrote out in colorful imagery and recorded, imitatitng an old time radio announcer calling the fight, speaking rapidly, almost without cessation for the full three minutes of the first round. After that, I got tired, I guess, and never finished the broadcast. But it was an exciting three minutes. I have tried to put it up, here and there, from time to time, but the wave file does not cross over well, or something.

If a mod happens to read this--how would I go about posting this audio to the forum for the possible entertainment of fellow forumites, or may I at all?

[them_apples]

I would give Oscar a better chance than Tito because of speed and that lefhook. His lefhook was potent enough to leave Tommy cold on the floor, piss dribbling from the corner of his trunks as his foot shakes like Ingo's.

I wouldn't give Oscar much of a chance. He's not as slick as Leonard and he's mosre standup. We are talking prime for prime, Hearns beats him up bad. Hearns stops Tito IMO.