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Yeah, the second Ali-Frazier fight seems relatively clear cut. Not too much controversy over who won that one.
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He probably still beats everybody he did beat, but leaving the sport a few years sooner, with any losses avenged, like he would've had if he hadn't fought Holmes and Berbick.Comment
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I based my opinion with solid points with the added one of Monte Coxx a TRUE historian,someone who is REAL ,not a big mouth like yourself and one who cries bc he is UNABLE to intelligently keep up when his delusional points are challenged !Originally posted by Ray Corso View Post
Tell us ALL again how Marciano chops down Vitali Klitchko within 7 rnds? You're the last one to form logical views and pretend much credibility on here over any one!
As a matter of fact just about all your opinions sound like they ar e based on day dreams with never a substantial or concrete points to back it up ,but at least you admitted that you formed this one based on a DREAM !
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Ali lost twice before 74 and did not dominate the 70's era ,there was no clear better fighter in the 70's . A Foreman rematch may have told us more instead we go 3 Norton fight ,and they were even contraversial.Originally posted by muslimer12 View Post
Frazier landed more significant punches in the rematch ,you may count missed punches ,i dont ! A defensive fighter who is clearly getting hit on the ropes wouldn't be out doing an aggressive fighter that is dictating the pace either.
Ali had a good run from 74 to 77 but thats not dominating an entire decade. Adding up who beat who and so forth based on how everyone did with eachother ...
Ali
Foreman
Frazier
Would be the top 3 even though Frazier was done after 73 and Norton arguably had Ali's number that is the order it would be even though anyone could beat anyone on any given night in the 70's .Last edited by juggernaut666; 06-12-2016, 10:40 AM.Comment
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Thats all your opinion lol im glad you have one but facts are facts. Yes those are the top 3 heavys of the 70s, larry holmes as well. I didnt say Ali dominated the 70s era.....Originally posted by juggernaut666 View PostComment
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You said he dominated the division in the 70's ,i showed he didnt ,he had a 4 year win streak . He dominated the 60's . Yes he was considered the best but thats bc his Foreman win ,even though Young also has a win over him as well . No one ever beat a true prime Frazier which is what the thread boils down too ,bc Ali most likely fights Frazier in the late 60's and imop it gives Frazier the advantage moreso for logical reasons i posted !Originally posted by muslimer12 View Post
Holmes only started to fight relevant guys by 1978 ,he wasnt really on the map until the 1980's . Had he sped his career up he would have been the 70's guy by 1976 !
Yes facts are facts and sometimes there hard to accept !Last edited by juggernaut666; 06-12-2016, 08:20 PM.Comment
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How much do I need to know? How many times do I need to see Ali whip Foreman to believe it? With one match he turned the man into a preacher, that is how thoroughly he whipped him. Foreman was preaching, retired from boxing, still licking his wounds, in deep trauma in 1978. He was in no way fit for or asking for a rematch.
Ali took Foreman's attitude of invincibility and walked all over it. As long as that attitude stayed intact, no one of the era was likely to beat Foreman, other than the master--not Young, not Lyle, not any of them. Once Ali broke the attitude, big George was vulnerable to men he would not have been vulnerable to before. He would have easily walked through Young and Lyle pre-Ali, hardly noticing them.Comment
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I think Ali goes on and beats everyone (Still Struggles against Norton and Fraiser) between 68-71 then runs into Foreman for his first loss. One thing we forget is that after Norton and Fraiser, Ali stopped relying on his physical gifts as much and started fighting smarter. 60s Ali would box circles around 70s Ali. But 70s Ali would out-think 60s Ali. And that is because of the losses. I also think he retires way before there are even thoughts of a Spinks let alone Holmes fight.
Side question were the 2nd and 3rd Norton fights as close as people say they were? Because rewatching them i think that Ali did just about enough both times to win.Comment
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When mentioning Frazier Foreman & Norton fighting Ali it seems their not held in very high esteem!
Norton 31-1
Frazier 27-0
Foreman 41-0
This was their records prior to accepting an Ali bout!
Ali fought 29 times in the 70's and had a record of 26-3 that is dominating the division in my book.
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