Question about Rocky

[butterfly1964]

Don't listen to anything this guy says about Rocky Marciano ever. he knows nothing about Rocky Marciano, and has never seen a fight of his. He is a black guy who idolizes ALi, which is fine, but he can't stand that some people think a white guy was better. period end of story on butterfly1964

lol, dansweeney, you are a bitter white man and can't stand the fact that there are more great black fighters than white fighters. i've seen 5 or 6 marciano fights, and he didn't look like anything special at all. he was a wild swinger, even wilder than george foreman. he usually fought guys that were 180-190 and the occasional 220+lb. bum. beating those guys don't mean nothing period. how is this guy marciano gonna beat george foreman or liston or tyson, or even a guy like jack dempsey? (who we all know is white as well, so pulling the old white/black thing here won't work this time) i'll answer that one for you, there's no way!! he only weighed 185 and fought other 185-195 fighters, so how is he gonna beat the great 210-230 fighters?

[Brassangel]

Well, if we're just going to go by weight here, than how can you pick Foreman over Lewis? Lewis was taller, heavier, and had better boxing skills than Foreman. But everybody knows that Foreman would most likely win this matchup. Was Ali a bum because he almost always fought guys who were shorter than him with minimal reach?

These examples sound silly, but that's because a disadvantage like weight, height, or reach don't always come into play when determining who would win a heavyweight bout. Rocky could still hit like a ton of bricks, and there were few who could take it in return as well as he could. Furthermore, rating the best champions of all time should only count head-to-head matchups for about 25% of the overall determining factor. Skill, heart, reign as champion, etc., are all more important than how Liston would have done versus Foreman, or Louis versus Tyson, and so on. Since there's no real way to determine the crossing of eras for head-to-head matchups, one must base a champion's greatness on their skills in the ring within their respective eras.

When considering things like this, Marciano is top 5 all-time.

Black or white has absolutely NOTHING to do with boxing greatness. They are all a part of the same race: the human race.

If you are going to claim black supremecy, butterfly1964, then take into account the fact that most of them get into the sport because they live on the streets and lead lives where they're constantly causing trouble. Sound racist? Well, so do your comments about blacks being better than whites. Blacks can be just as racist. At any rate, I don't tolerate this and niether does any sensible boxing critic, or human being for that matter. Black or white, Marciano was great.

[dansweeney]

lol, dansweeney, you are a bitter white man and can't stand the fact that there are more great black fighters than white fighters. i've seen 5 or 6 marciano fights, and he didn't look like anything special at all. he was a wild swinger, even wilder than george foreman. he usually fought guys that were 180-190 and the occasional 220+lb. bum. beating those guys don't mean nothing period. how is this guy marciano gonna beat george foreman or liston or tyson, or even a guy like jack dempsey? (who we all know is white as well, so pulling the old white/black thing here won't work this time) i'll answer that one for you, there's no way!! he only weighed 185 and fought other 185-195 fighters, so how is he gonna beat the great 210-230 fighters?

that is an opinion by you. My favorite fighters are black ****head. I don't discriminate in anyway, you on the other hand, have to give your 2 cents on each and every single thread about Rocky Marciano and berate his accomplishments. this isn't about who he would be beat or lose to. its about you being a racist, plain and simple. when people say that Marciano was a great fighter that has nothing to do with ALi. you are rediculous. you've seen grainy footage of 5 or 6 fight and you are an expert ha? very funny. your exposed as the racist you are.

[butterfly1964]

that is an opinion by you. My favorite fighters are black ****head. I don't discriminate in anyway, you on the other hand, have to give your 2 cents on each and every single thread about Rocky Marciano and berate his accomplishments. this isn't about who he would be beat or lose to. its about you being a racist, plain and simple. when people say that Marciano was a great fighter that has nothing to do with ALi. you are rediculous. you've seen grainy footage of 5 or 6 fight and you are an expert ha? very funny. your exposed as the racist you are.

lol, i'm the racist? you're the one who started **** about me and white fighters, you're the one who started in on skin color, not me. i didn't say that marciano wasn't good, i said he was overrated, and he is. grainy footage? whether it was grains, or noodles or spagehtti footage the man was flatfooted. the man was flatfooted, slow, wild, and not very skilled at all. he depended on his brute strength to win fights, so that would lead me to believe that someone who could move and had a granite chin would have no problem at against marciano.

[dansweeney]

lol, i'm the racist? you're the one who started **** about me and white fighters, you're the one who started in on skin color, not me. i didn't say that marciano wasn't good, i said he was overrated, and he is. grainy footage? whether it was grains, or noodles or spagehtti footage the man was flatfooted. the man was flatfooted, slow, wild, and not very skilled at all. he depended on his brute strength to win fights, so that would lead me to believe that someone who could move and had a granite chin would have no problem at against marciano.

i can see through the thin veil that covers your racism. admit it dude. just come clean. someone who could move and had a granite chin? i wonder who you might be referring to? I know could it be ALi?

[butterfly1964]

i can see through the thin veil that covers your racism. admit it dude. just come clean. someone who could move and had a granite chin? i wonder who you might be referring to? I know could it be ALi?

hey, you mentioned ali not me. i wasn't necessarily referring to ali. oh, i don't know, i could have been talking about, maaaybe larry holmes!

[dansweeney]

hey, you mentioned ali not me. i wasn't necessarily referring to ali. oh, i don't know, i could have been talking about, maaaybe larry holmes!

I just don't get why you have to post in every thread that Mentions Marciano, its like a personal vendetta with you. and by the way Ali is a legend in my mind as well, no doubt about it. im just tired of you disrupting every marciano thread with your limited knowledge of him.

[butterfly1964]

I just don't get why you have to post in every thread that Mentions Marciano, its like a personal vendetta with you. and by the way Ali is a legend in my mind as well, no doubt about it. im just tired of you disrupting every marciano thread with your limited knowledge of him.

well, it's not marciano i'm mad at. it mostly ******ed marciano fanboys that swears marciano could knock out god with one punch. they say that marciano would crush people like ali, foreman, and even joe louis. the marciano myth just disturbes me, that's all. it's got nothing to do with white fighters in general.

[dansweeney]

well, it's not marciano i'm mad at. it mostly ******ed marciano fanboys that swears marciano could knock out god with one punch. they say that marciano would crush people like ali, foreman, and even joe louis. the marciano myth just disturbes me, that's all. it's got nothing to do with white fighters in general.

now that i can understand. I really wanted to know what your beef was. if it's not racist cool. if its nuthuggers that piss you off i can dig that. by the way, in my opinion foreman-marciano would probably look alot like foreman-frazier.

[BKM-]

well, it's not marciano i'm mad at. it mostly ******ed marciano fanboys that swears marciano could knock out god with one punch. they say that marciano would crush people like ali, foreman, and even joe louis. the marciano myth just disturbes me, that's all. it's got nothing to do with white fighters in general.

There are no Marciano fanboys like that on this forum. All the Marciano fans on this forum(rockymarcianofan, suzieq, chum etc) have sane arguments and dont say that stuff about Marciano. YOu are racist.