Will Vlad Pull A Tszyu?

[The Old LefHook]

Yeah, well said Benny, what the hell do fighters need to do to get respect ?

They need to try hard when they are not winning. They need to have the depth in their game to try something else when plan A is not working. They need to be able to take good punches when necessary, which ain't their fault if they can't but still counts against them in the respect department.

I mean how can he criticize Tszyu either, that guy was a freakishly great fighter and pound for pound best puncher I seen in modern times. After Hatton there was nothing to prove and Wlad has proved himself too, not his fault there is no Joe Louis or Frazier or Foreman for him to fight is there.

Now the good part. How dare anyone criticize an idol of yours? That's what I hear.

Haven't you ever heard of criticizing someone before, son? A lot of that goes on around here. If it weren't for that there would not be enough posts to even have a forum.

I suppose it is possible to ask the offending question regarding anyone at all. How dare he criticize Richard Steele? How dare he criticize Mike Tyson? How dare he criticize Bernard Ho'kins? ....on and on and on.

Anyone dares because they can all be legitimately criticized somewhere. There may be disagreements as to what constitutes legitimacy. You and I may have just such a disagreement regarding Tszyu.

Before you think I have no love for Tszyu, observe that I can and do spell his name correctly, it being a frequent personal idiosyncracy of mine to misspell, leave uncapitalized or find disparaging monikers to substitute for the names of men or countires I loathe. If not loathing is loving, then I must love Tszyu.

My regard for him may have once rivaled your own. Ricky Hackon was supposed to be no more than a bump on the road to greatness and even bigger fights. Instead, our boy quit, without obvious signs of physical distress.

Shoulder this...shoulder that, old overnight. I know them all. I can buy shoulder but not old overnight. It is no more than a metaphor, and humans are mightily taken by good metaphors whether they are true or not. An armed society is a polite society, is a metaphor one might find quite a bit of disagreement on. It sure sounds good, though. It sounds true. Is it?

That is what old overnight means to me, before you even dare, sir.

The Hackon fight was within reach. It was not as if Tszyu could barely make it back to his corner a la Robinson/Maxim, or was beaten up like Ali by Holmes.

One could accept the quit job if he had performed any redemptive ring acts later. The chance was there. He kept stalling and stalling and stalling. It was disrepectful. As someone who put money in his pockets, I felt aggreived. He prolonged it until one finally knew he had to retire whether he announced it or not. No truly great champion would allow the likes of a Ricky Hackon to drive them into neurotic seclusion. It was his own quit job that drove him.

The slav fighters had a lot of amateur fights under the fallacious old Soviet bloc Olympic style amateur programs. I think Tszyu had a lot also. It was not as if he had not built two separate illustrious careers by the time Hackon yanked his arms off. The biggest legacy mover to date would have been to come back and knock Ricky--a second rate talent, or somewhere between first and second-- out where he belonged, as ultimately proven by others.

Tszyu gave up too easily and then he quit the game too easily. His richest and most famous win will be Judah, another guy who could not cut the mustard to greatness, but was at least a fast-twitch-fiber demon, putting to bed doubts that Tszyu could deal with this kind demon. He could, as long as the demon did not also have depth. Judah's only real depth was the depth of his talent.

Tszyu was a champion with a good record. As for piling on the adjectival greats, that would be something more appropriate as you introduced him at a banquet dinner than in an objective appraisal of his all time prowess. I feel that great is sort of optional with him in realistic journalism not there specifically to pay homage. He was good. He was very good. He was...hmmm? He was very good.

[McGoorty]

They need to try hard when they are not winning. They need to have the depth in their game to try something else when plan A is not working. They need to be able to take good punches when necessary, which ain't their fault if they can't but still counts against them in the respect department.



Now the good part. How dare anyone criticize an idol of yours? That's what I hear.

Haven't you ever heard of criticizing someone before, son? A lot of that goes on around here. If it weren't for that there would not be enough posts to even have a forum.

I suppose it is possible to ask the offending question regarding anyone at all. How dare he criticize Richard Steele? How dare he criticize Mike Tyson? How dare he criticize Bernard Ho'kins? ....on and on and on.

Anyone dares because they can all be legitimately criticized somewhere. There may be disagreements as to what constitutes legitimacy. You and I may have just such a disagreement regarding Tszyu.

Before you think I have no love for Tszyu, observe that I can and do spell his name correctly, it being a frequent personal idiosyncracy of mine to misspell, leave uncapitalized or find disparaging monikers to substitute for the names of men or countires I loathe. If not loathing is loving, then I must love Tszyu.

My regard for him may have once rivaled your own. Ricky Hackon was supposed to be no more than a bump on the road to greatness and even bigger fights. Instead, our boy quit, without obvious signs of physical distress.

Shoulder this...shoulder that, old overnight. I know them all. I can buy shoulder but not old overnight. It is no more than a metaphor, and humans are mightily taken by good metaphors whether they are true or not. An armed society is a polite society, is a metaphor one might find quite a bit of disagreement on. It sure sounds good, though. It sounds true. Is it?

That is what old overnight means to me, before you even dare, sir.

The Hackon fight was within reach. It was not as if Tszyu could barely make it back to his corner a la Robinson/Maxim, or was beaten up like Ali by Holmes.

One could accept the quit job if he had performed any redemptive ring acts later. The chance was there. He kept stalling and stalling and stalling. It was disrepectful. As someone who put money in his pockets, I felt aggreived. He prolonged it until one finally knew he had to retire whether he announced it or not. No truly great champion would allow the likes of a Ricky Hackon to drive them into neurotic seclusion. It was his own quit job that drove him.

The slav fighters had a lot of amateur fights under the fallacious old Soviet bloc Olympic style amateur programs. I think Tszyu had a lot also. It was not as if he had not built two separate illustrious careers by the time Hackon yanked his arms off. The biggest legacy mover to date would have been to come back and knock Ricky--a second rate talent, or somewhere between first and second-- out where he belonged, as ultimately proven by others.

Tszyu gave up too easily and then he quit the game too easily. His richest and most famous win will be Judah, another guy who could not cut the mustard to greatness, but was at least a fast-twitch-fiber demon, putting to bed doubts that Tszyu could deal with this kind demon. He could, as long as the demon did not also have depth. Judah's only real depth was the depth of his talent.

Tszyu was a champion with a good record. As for piling on the adjectival greats, that would be something more appropriate as you introduced him at a banquet dinner than in an objective appraisal of his all time prowess. I feel that great is sort of optional with him in realistic journalism not there specifically to pay homage. He was good. He was very good. He was...hmmm? He was very good.

Hakon was a Viking King of Norway, now that's cleared up, I never said we cannot criticize fighters for various reasons its fair but you were calling these guys cowards were you not ???? as for the Hatton fight I have never seen it, ever, I knew the result before they fought ? why ? For a simple reason I was angry at him and angrier at that filth Vlad Warton who destroyed Kostya's career, why was I angry ? because in 18 months he only fought Sharmba Mitchell and he had nothing to prove in the weight class anymore, if Warton wasn't such an incompetent ****** Kostya would have gone up to the welters. THIS at an age where a fighter needs to be very active to stop ring rust this guy hardly had a fight in the last three years... what four fights ? what a joke and I have to criticize him for listening to a charlatan just because he could sweet talk in Russian, he was 35 and with one fight in 18 months he GOES TO LONDON (I mean I admire his ability but this is as unintelligent a decision as any fighter ever made, he could have forced Hatton to fight in Sydney where he would have been DQ'd) to fight a guy on a hot streak and ego to match. Kostya lost the fight the moment he signed that fight, a fight he has to win by KO because he is in enemy territory where decisions can only go one way. So Tszyu goes in rusty as hell because the one fight he did have was over in the blink of an eye because Mitchell never had much heart. Nah I protested and voted with my feet, still hoping he'd win and he would have if he had been active therefore in peak form... instead he walks around heavier than a middleweight and then has to shed an enormous amount of weight. Then we come to the farcical situation where Hatton goes all GOLOTA on Tszyu and the ref goes "huh, wha ???? nah... didn't see all those nutcrackers. hell I don't blame Tszyu stopping because he may have wanted more kids... any more questions ? It was a badly mismanaged fighter and that fighter once had the very best management possible and threw all that away for a charlatan called Warton who should be bashed on sight.

[juggernaut666]

Will Vlad pull a Tszyu, never going through with the rematch agaiinst Fury? I believe Vlad has the cowardice in him to do this. If he figures he cannot beat Fury any other way, then expect him to sit out the terms of the contract, forcing Fury to squander prime years waiting for the quaking slav. He may not be able to beat him, but he can ruin the career and prevent Fury from displaying how vulnerable he is to decent fighters until he is old enough for people to say he got old overnight.

This is the true coward's way out. The very same behavior helped trash Tszyu's legacy. Vlad is throwing yet another slav tantrum. We will see a lot more such tantrums in boxing now that the eastern Europeans are here. We are used to tantrums but the slavs may take it to a whole new level of consistency. They will not be outdone!

Another brain dead thread ,with the one who cant spell his screen name correct and made a Wlad thread in the HISTORY section where it doesnt belong! I guess posting negative things on current fighters is acceptable as oppossed to posting threads that show their superiority ....im still trying to figure it out ?