Hagler vs Duran - Was it a razor-thin decision?

[billeau2]

debate with you ?.... i would rather debate with Adolph Hitler.

You need sunny skies, fresh air... warm waters,
You need a vacation for a while til you decide to act like a human being again, I hope on all posts like this people voice their concerns so you can get some rest and relaxation.

[billeau2]

If i am the crap poster you claim me to be, then why do i receive green K on an almost daily basis?... why do i receive messages of support on a daily basis from members?.. why do i get messages and emails daily, asking my opinion on boxing matters?....

My mom also thinks Im an expert! she gives me green K and she asks my opinion...about everything but, well I didn't mean to blow up the tool shed. that just does not count Sonny

[WalkerSmithJnr]

Duran never won, i have known no one, myself included, who has ever claimed, Duran won. I started this thread to see for myself, How many members thought it was a Razor-Thin victory for Hagler. Other than myself, Ring Magazine, KO Magazine, Boxing News, Boxing Illustrated and a huge number of daily newspapers who all seen the fight exactly as i seen the fight. Not a single member who cast their vote, seen it like myself and the ringside reporters.

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/on-t...roberto-duran/

https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...0,212648&hl=en

https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,1583444&hl=en

https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,3971063&hl=en

https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,2950269&hl=en

https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,4153761&hl=en

All the above ringside reports are identical in their summing up of the fight. Yet here you are trying to imply i am wrong well the laugh ain't on me mate. The laugh is on all those who voted, with the exception of myself.

All those who publicly voted are now a "Laughing Stock".. i deliberately made it a "Public Vote" so as to weed them out, seperate the Boxing Buffs from the Puffs.. :blow:

Go back and scrutinize my scorecard, you will see it is **** on the money..

Hands of Stone by Christian Giudice
"There was a huge disparity between the judges’ scorecards and the overall feeling of the sportswriters: Jerry Lisker, New York Post, 11-4; **** Young, New York Post, 10-4-1; Pete Axthelm, Newsweek, 9-5-1; Phil Pepe, New York Daily News, 11-3-1; Stan Hochman, Philadelphia Daily News, 8-5-2; John Schulian, Chicago Sun-Times, 8-5-2; Joe Gergen, Newsday, 10-4-1; Bob Verdi, Chicago Tribune, 9-4-2; Will Grimsley, Associated Press, 8-7, all for Hagler. The morning headlines ranged from “Hagler is still champ, but invincible no more,” to “Mere Survival Isn’t a Revival for Duran”

Four Kings by George Kimball

"Scoring at ringside, I had Hagler up 146-140, a margin more in line with most non-WBA judges who watched the fight that night"

[JAB5239]

Hands of Stone by Christian Giudice
"There was a huge disparity between the judges’ scorecards and the overall feeling of the sportswriters: Jerry Lisker, New York Post, 11-4; **** Young, New York Post, 10-4-1; Pete Axthelm, Newsweek, 9-5-1; Phil Pepe, New York Daily News, 11-3-1; Stan Hochman, Philadelphia Daily News, 8-5-2; John Schulian, Chicago Sun-Times, 8-5-2; Joe Gergen, Newsday, 10-4-1; Bob Verdi, Chicago Tribune, 9-4-2; Will Grimsley, Associated Press, 8-7, all for Hagler. The morning headlines ranged from “Hagler is still champ, but invincible no more,” to “Mere Survival Isn’t a Revival for Duran”

Four Kings by George Kimball

"Scoring at ringside, I had Hagler up 146-140, a margin more in line with most non-WBA judges who watched the fight that night"

Oh, THAT has gotta hurt!

[rightsideup]

Hands of Stone by Christian Giudice
"There was a huge disparity between the judges’ scorecards and the overall feeling of the sportswriters: Jerry Lisker, New York Post, 11-4; **** Young, New York Post, 10-4-1; Pete Axthelm, Newsweek, 9-5-1; Phil Pepe, New York Daily News, 11-3-1; Stan Hochman, Philadelphia Daily News, 8-5-2; John Schulian, Chicago Sun-Times, 8-5-2; Joe Gergen, Newsday, 10-4-1; Bob Verdi, Chicago Tribune, 9-4-2; Will Grimsley, Associated Press, 8-7, all for Hagler. The morning headlines ranged from “Hagler is still champ, but invincible no more,” to “Mere Survival Isn’t a Revival for Duran”

Four Kings by George Kimball

"Scoring at ringside, I had Hagler up 146-140, a margin more in line with most non-WBA judges who watched the fight that night"

yes the sports writers were not in agreement at all. Duran must have read the Hagler is still champ, but invincible no more , headline and his next revival was 6 years later against iran

[WalkerSmithJnr]

Duran never won, i have known no one, myself included, who has ever claimed, Duran won. I started this thread to see for myself, How many members thought it was a Razor-Thin victory for Hagler. Other than myself, Ring Magazine, KO Magazine, Boxing News, Boxing Illustrated and a huge number of daily newspapers who all seen the fight exactly as i seen the fight. Not a single member who cast their vote, seen it like myself and the ringside reporters.

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/on-t...roberto-duran/

https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...0,212648&hl=en

https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,1583444&hl=en

https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,3971063&hl=en

https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,2950269&hl=en

https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,4153761&hl=en

All the above ringside reports are identical in their summing up of the fight. Yet here you are trying to imply i am wrong well the laugh ain't on me mate. The laugh is on all those who voted, with the exception of myself.

All those who publicly voted are now a "Laughing Stock".. i deliberately made it a "Public Vote" so as to weed them out, seperate the Boxing Buffs from the Puffs.. :blow:

Go back and scrutinize my scorecard, you will see it is **** on the money..

You'll going to have to scan Ring Magazine, Boxing Illustrated etc and put them up because the newspaper links you put up are worthless

We have the Gadsen Times which just repeats the judges scoring without offering an opinion

The Bryan Times
Says Hagler took control in the 6th round onwards

Boca Raton News

Pretty much offers the judges scorecards and some quotes from the fighters

The Ottawa Citizen takes us to round 8 and no further

****or Daily News doesn't add anything

Boxing News just repeats the judges scorecards and offers no opinion the person could've written that article without having seen the fight.

So most of them take the judges scoring as gospel and say whoever the judges say won the round won the round. It's not like The ****or Daily News is going to have someone ringside is it? It doesn't look like many of them actually watched the fight on TV either.

Or was the idea that I didn't check those links and took them as read.

[WalkerSmithJnr]

yes the sports writers were not in agreement at all. Duran must have read the Hagler is still champ, but invincible no more , headline and his next revival was 6 years later against iran

I'm assuming that a biography called Hands of Stone is going to be fairly even handed to Roberto Duran.
Let's not take anything away from Duran here he fought as well as a pumped up great lightweight could against a great middleweight and P4P he is the greater fighter but he didn't get edged out on a razor thin verdict.

[Ray Corso]

sonnyboy ..."If i am the crap poster you claim me to be, then why do i receive green K on an almost daily basis?... why do i receive messages of support on a daily basis from members?.. why do i get messages and emails daily, asking my opinion on boxing matters"?....





Because elroid & juggynutz are the only others that "understand" you?

Seems as though your not liked here, yet you keep yaking on & on & on.....

Ray.

[rightsideup]

I'm assuming that a biography called Hands of Stone is going to be fairly even handed to Roberto Duran.
Let's not take anything away from Duran here he fought as well as a pumped up great lightweight could against a great middleweight and P4P he is the greater fighter but he didn't get edged out on a razor thin verdict.

I do not think so actually the author mentioned duran leonard 1 was hotly disputed while a great close fight it was not hotly disputed as far as how the media portrayed hagler duran the result is somewhere between the two headlines.

[Syf]

Your a howler, who's claim to fame was working down the local boys club, showing delinquents how to throw a left-hook.. LOL.. Well Ray Corso, i have read many times over, what guy's like you do with young boy's. So don't tell me you done it out of the goodness of your heart. :wank:

Slanderous stuff like this should not be permissable. Ray is an established guy, he posted proof that he not only ran a gym, but coached at least one pro fighter. Saying this to someone like him is not the same as flaming some anonymous poster. To suggest he ******ed kids that he was trying to help is f'ed up.

Whoever closed Ray's "proof" thread down should close YOU down

Get ya life