Ali vs Wilt

[juggernaut666]

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Your whole argument on this thread is flawed. You are basing your argument of Wilt Chamberlains "Height & Weight" and that Cus D'Amato could turn him into a world beater, almost overnight. Well Cus D'Amato, great trainer that he was, was simply not capable of doing such a feat. D'Amato was not a boxing trainer of the caliber of Angelo Dundee, Ray Arcel, Whitey Bimstein or Eddie Futch. D'Amato's claim to fame, is the peek-a-boo style. Could you imagine Wilt the Stilt` standing in the middle of the ring doing the peek-a-boo LOL Muhammad Ali would dace around him, using his head as a speed-ball. The match-up senario, is beyond the relms of probability. Muhammad Ali, the greatest Heavyweight Champion of all times. Against a 7'0 behemoth, who has never set foot in a boxing ring in his life. Oddsmakers would have chalked Wilt up at odds of 50/1

Wilt Chamberlain > 1967 Folley

odds were about 7 or 10 to 1 then I think?Doesnt really matter.....


Wilt chamberlain < Ali Odds would be no smaller than 5 to 1


Fantasy < Reality


A 20 /1 odds would only be feasible if Wilt doesn't fight any one but Ali. That doesn't detract he makes a better opponent for Ali than the washed up non athletic ones,this would be mainly due to ignorance however...only a fool cant see a 7'1 giant under Cus being more dangerous....you just wont admit that like most on here...then you would have to admit potentially better fighters could have existed in Alis 60's era. WeALL know they came along in the 70's.


50 to 1??lol...yea just like Listons 90 inch reach right?


Best example I can give in the actual 60's era would be Folley vs Terrell...who won that fight the better boxer or the taller one.?..yet you are selling me Folley defeats a guy like Valuev at 7'0 300 pounds? With better skill than Terrell also....

[billeau2]

This is beyond sad............
Seriously stop posting here everyone.............
Posibbly speak to a priest or rabbi or sharman or atheist for help....

your all doomed...



go home! Nothing to see here.............

Well....I took your dam advice! Went to all of em ray, finally? just to get rid of me they gave me an address that was on the very peak of the Himalayan mountains...the veritable top of the world sir...where I was told I would meet the wisest man that had ever lived and I would be allowed to ask him for all concerned: why are elroy and Sonny such trolls?

So I went, and I trekked, and I trekked Ray...through the desserts, the oceans, from the the Arabian sea to the ports of karachi....I trekked... And then some...finally, arriving at the foot of that mountain, through some fight beat points I recently acquired in these here parts, I was able to order....Nothing. Turns out that ********* points are not like *******s or anything, or so I thought at the time.

With no porter to help me trekk I had to brave the mountain alone. Its ok I told myself, the answer to my question was my quest and this was all part of the adventure. Speaking of which? don't ever introduce yourself to any Tibetan as Elroy or funny Sonny...turns out it means ****suucking idiot in their language...but I digress!!

So I go up to the top of this mountain, ravaged, hungry, thirsty and I can barely make out the outline of a shining white light when there before me stood a man who musta been around 60 but bathed in light he looked pliable, supple like a baby and all.... He had a voice that sounded like Lou Duva asking me to get him a pack of Camel unfiltereds (I must have been delerious).

he looked at me and explained that he usually would not answer any questions but knowing the journey i took, he would break his own rule and answer the question I had been on a journey to ask... For a small fee of 1 million fight points! so I looked him in the eye and I asked him Ray "Why are Elroy and Funny Sonny such idiots?" He looked at me, he rubbed his beard for a moment and the most intense look of concentration seemed to posses him. He looked like a man having the perfect bowel movement as he muttered to himself...I felt encased by fecal reflections and the ****teness that is Elroy and Sony. yes the combo of **** and trolldom seemed like it was all one and the same, as I prepared my ears for his holiness and pictured our troll friends as two perfect fat turds.

After a pregnant pause he said: "probably because they never get out of their mother's basements." I couldn't believe my ears...not another ****storm courtesy of Elwood and Sir funny! why those two had even managed to ruin a perfectly good reflection on the **** which is their essential nature! I couldn't believe it! Life was not fair Ray!!! Let me say it again, Life was not fair! I was being cheated!! victimized, trolled by life courtesy of two of the very best **** stirrers.... I could barely disassociate as I heard my voice seize the holy man's cauliflowered ears...

"What!!!! I came all this way, starved, half blinded, half way around the world and this is all you can tell me!? that these idiots are trolls because they live in their mother's basement's!?? Like we didn't know that? he looked at me a second and stated, much in the manner that Lennox Lewis might state "Vlad has to throw punches to win", or unfurl any other of his cutting edge boxing insights, during a broadcast: "Alright maybe its not that they never left their mother's basement." And then he left.... A shimmer of light and a bloodied cell phone with Andrew Golata's matted hair dropped to the ground where he had been...then a voice "don't forget those camel's...UNfilTERED!!

Ive had some time to reflect since my misadventure Ray and have come to the conclusion, via perhaps a more circumspect way than you or Lefty...that we may never know why Elroid and Sonny are such trolls. But I can tell you this sir! Somewhere because of these two there are two mama's...and while I can't say if either of their sons were dropped on their heads definitevely, or not...I can tell you this: In both those mama's homes there is an occupied basement with a computer and it has service to the internet and of this (and Sonny's large tape collection....and perhaps Elroids pin head) I am certain.

[sonnyboyx2]

Well....I took your dam advice! Went to all of em ray, finally? just to get rid of me they gave me an address that was on the very peak of the Himalayan mountains...the veritable top of the world sir...where I was told I would meet the wisest man that had ever lived and I would be allowed to ask him for all concerned: why are elroy and Sonny such trolls?

So I went, and I trekked, and I trekked Ray...through the desserts, the oceans, from the the Arabian sea to the ports of karachi....I trekked... And then some...finally, arriving at the foot of that mountain, through some fight beat points I recently acquired in these here parts, I was able to order....Nothing. Turns out that ********* points are not like *******s or anything, or so I thought at the time.

With no porter to help me trekk I had to brave the mountain alone. Its ok I told myself, the answer to my question was my quest and this was all part of the adventure. Speaking of which? don't ever introduce yourself to any Tibetan as Elroy or funny Sonny...turns out it means ****suucking idiot in their language...but I digress!!

So I go up to the top of this mountain, ravaged, hungry, thirsty and I can barely make out the outline of a shining white light when there before me stood a man who musta been around 60 but bathed in light he looked pliable, supple like a baby and all.... He had a voice that sounded like Lou Duva asking me to get him a pack of Camel unfiltereds (I must have been delerious).

he looked at me and explained that he usually would not answer any questions but knowing the journey i took, he would break his own rule and answer the question I had been on a journey to ask... For a small fee of 1 million fight points! so I looked him in the eye and I asked him Ray "Why are Elroy and Funny Sonny such idiots?" He looked at me, he rubbed his beard for a moment and the most intense look of concentration seemed to posses him. He looked like a man having the perfect bowel movement as he muttered to himself...I felt encased by fecal reflections and the ****teness that is Elroy and Sony. yes the combo of **** and trolldom seemed like it was all one and the same, as I prepared my ears for his holiness and pictured our troll friends as two perfect fat turds.

After a pregnant pause he said: "probably because they never get out of their mother's basements." I couldn't believe my ears...not another ****storm courtesy of Elwood and Sir funny! why those two had even managed to ruin a perfectly good reflection on the **** which is their essential nature! I couldn't believe it! Life was not fair Ray!!! Let me say it again, Life was not fair! I was being cheated!! victimized, trolled by life courtesy of two of the very best **** stirrers.... I could barely disassociate as I heard my voice seize the holy man's cauliflowered ears...

"What!!!! I came all this way, starved, half blinded, half way around the world and this is all you can tell me!? that these idiots are trolls because they live in their mother's basement's!?? Like we didn't know that? he looked at me a second and stated, much in the manner that Lennox Lewis might state "Vlad has to throw punches to win", or unfurl any other of his cutting edge boxing insights, during a broadcast: "Alright maybe its not that they never left their mother's basement." And then he left.... A shimmer of light and a bloodied cell phone with Andrew Golata's matted hair dropped to the ground where he had been...then a voice "don't forget those camel's...UNfilTERED!!

Ive had some time to reflect since my misadventure Ray and have come to the conclusion, via perhaps a more circumspect way than you or Lefty...that we may never know why Elroid and Sonny are such trolls. But I can tell you this sir! Somewhere because of these two there are two mama's...and while I can't say if either of their sons were dropped on their heads definitevely, or not...I can tell you this: In both those mama's homes there is an occupied basement with a computer and it has service to the internet and of this (and Sonny's large tape collection....and perhaps Elroids pin head) I am certain.

Brilliant post... fantastic. i really enjoy it when you refer to me as a Troll. it makes me feel good, knowing that you have the utmost respect for my boxing knowledge. It shows to me that you are hurting inside. That my posts are so on the money, that you have to scream like a child. i have been called some things in my time, but never a troll by a troll. It is a very rare occurrence, for me to read one of your posts, i usually flash my eyes over it, looking for my name. If i see my name i read that paragraph, otherwise i move onto the next post without ever reading yours. I know that you read my posts, i know that you are envious of me being able to debate boxing. Your envious because you are a little green eyed monster. A little monster who has no friends or partner. Who infests this site, not to talk boxing, but to pretend to talk boxing. You envy me for my boxing knowledge. But Bill, i understand mate. :bukkake:

[sonnyboyx2]

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Wilt Chamberlain > 1967 Folley

odds were about 7 or 10 to 1 then I think?Doesnt really matter.....


Wilt chamberlain < Ali Odds would be no smaller than 5 to 1


Fantasy < Reality


A 20 /1 odds would only be feasible if Wilt doesn't fight any one but Ali. That doesn't detract he makes a better opponent for Ali than the washed up non athletic ones,this would be mainly due to ignorance however...only a fool cant see a 7'1 giant under Cus being more dangerous....you just wont admit that like most on here...then you would have to admit potentially better fighters could have existed in Alis 60's era. WeALL know they came along in the 70's.


50 to 1??lol...yea just like Listons 90 inch reach right?


Best example I can give in the actual 60's era would be Folley vs Terrell...who won that fight the better boxer or the taller one.?..yet you are selling me Folley defeats a guy like Valuev at 7'0 300 pounds? With better skill than Terrell also....

You ask, "How good was Zora Folley in 1967? Answer= He was good

Your comment of David Haye beating Zora Folley is laughable. Folley would completely destroy David Haye. Folley defeated world class fighters throughout his career. Haye was very limited. Haye was very fortunate to get the decision over Valuev, in one of the worst World Title fights ever. Haye lost to Carl Thompson, his only real credible opponent. Folley defeated Bob Foster who punched twice as hard as Haye. Folley defeated Bonavena, Chuvalo, Machen, Cooper who were all World title challengers. Haye defeated virtually no-one.

[juggernaut666]

You ask, "How good was Zora Folley in 1967? Answer= He was good

Your comment of David Haye beating Zora Folley is laughable. Folley would completely destroy David Haye. Folley defeated world class fighters throughout his career. Haye was very limited. Haye was very fortunate to get the decision over Valuev, in one of the worst World Title fights ever. Haye lost to Carl Thompson, his only real credible opponent. Folley defeated Bob Foster who punched twice as hard as Haye. Folley defeated Bonavena, Chuvalo, Machen, Cooper who were all World title challengers. Haye defeated virtually no-one.

Foster fought nearly 30 guys that were about 175 pounds or below , give me a break , even at cruisweight Haye would flatten him easy , as a HW Haye wouldn't even be able to get a sanctioned bout with him in modern times sine Foster was really a LIGHT weight,you even mocked Haye losing in his second year as a cruiser when Boogeyman Liston lost in his second year to a 180 pounder!


Folley couldn't even beat Brian LONDON? Yea sure Folley gets a win on Haye let alone the one that Ali fought...... Folley himself didnt even have a 50 % K .O standing to give him a punchers chance


What i find interesting you didnt answer who won between Folley ancd Terrell,? whats more is Terrell has wins over most you listed and he just happens to be 6'6 and not as technically skilled as some yet has wins on them ,whys that?

[VG_Addict]

I've seen people post that SuperStars event where Frazier does poorly as proof that modern HWs are better.

I ask, who cares? Who's to say Wlad or Lewis would have done better?

[sonnyboyx2]

Foster fought nearly 30 guys that were about 175 pounds or below , give me a break , even at cruisweight Haye would flatten him easy , as a HW Haye wouldn't even be able to get a sanctioned bout with him in modern times sine Foster was really a LIGHT weight,you even mocked Haye losing in his second year as a cruiser when Boogeyman Liston lost in his second year to a 180 pounder!


Folley couldn't even beat Brian LONDON? Yea sure Folley gets a win on Haye let alone the one that Ali fought...... Folley himself didnt even have a 50 % K .O standing to give him a punchers chance


What i find interesting you didnt answer who won between Folley ancd Terrell,? whats more is Terrell has wins over most you listed and he just happens to be 6'6 and not as technically skilled as some yet has wins on them ,whys that?

i have the Folley vs Terrell fight on film. Terrell wins the fight due to his grabbing tactics (human octopus) which he used to nulify Folley, who was the smaller man but better fighter. Terrell claimed Folley was one of the best he ever fought.

Brian London was a good fighter, i suggest you watch his 3rd fight with Henry Cooper and his fight with Ingo Johansson. Both excellent performances from London, who would have no problem knocking out David Haye.

David Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko LOL.. Haye crawling around the floor terrified of being punched. LOL Wlad is same height as Ernie Terrell only Wlad is a PED abuser Terrell was not. David Haye is a steroid abuser, Zora Folley was not. Brian London & Bob Foster were not steroid abusers.

Level playing field, the fighters of today do not stand a chance.

[juggernaut666]

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i have the Folley vs Terrell fight on film. Terrell wins the fight due to his grabbing tactics (human octopus) which he used to nulify Folley, who was the smaller man but better fighter. Terrell claimed Folley was one of the best he ever fought.

Brian London was a good fighter, i suggest you watch his 3rd fight with Henry Cooper and his fight with Ingo Johansson. Both excellent performances from London, who would have no problem knocking out David Haye.

David Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko LOL.. Haye crawling around the floor terrified of being punched. LOL Wlad is same height as Ernie Terrell only Wlad is a PED abuser Terrell was not. David Haye is a steroid abuser, Zora Folley was not. Brian London & Bob Foster were not steroid abusers.

Level playing field, the fighters of today do not stand a chance.

News flash ...EVERY FIGHT can be seen via internet ...oh do they look different on FILM ? Funny how you have films ,posters meetings or conventions ,you saw this guy live ,that guy live and if true anyway has NOTHING TO DO with any thread you post on ....You're first paragraph actually fortifies why Wilt would excel vs the more seasoned boxers of THAT time ....

As for the thread topic ...excuses is all you are basically left with ....you even now claim Wlad ,the guy you proclaim a ped user now when just the other day you gave him lable as the greatest HW champion of all time?Funny sonny i think you're done here ...NEXT!



'i have see Joe Frazier fight Live` against Joe Bugner. All you have seen, in which to make up your opinion. Is watching on "Cold-Flat -Screen TV"... Sonnyboyx2 on the first sentence and .... on the second part of your Quote.

[The Old LefHook]

Giants Tourney


1 Nicolai Valuev 7'0"
2 Wilt Chamberlain 7'1"
3 Angus McKaskill 7'9"
4 Vitali Klitchko 6'8"
5 Vladmir Klitchko 6'6"
6 Tyson Fury 6'9"
7 Bill Russle 6'9"
8 Michael Jordan 6'10"
9 Jess Willard 6'7"
10 Rocky Marciano 5'10"

So far, Marciano has caved Michael Jordan's head in with a lefhook, and Angus McKaskill has put Nicolai Valuev through the canvas.

Next, Jess Willard thoroughly beat up Bill "Tussle" Russel in a smooth four rounder.

In a surprise, Wilt "the stilt" Chamberlain has KO'd both Klitscho brothers successively, after big brother Vitali entered the ring to protest the "stilts" KO of little bro. Both brothers are now out of the tourney.

Next up, Marciano faces the great Tyson Fury. Can anyone pick Rocky in this encounter?

[juggernaut666]

Giants Tourney


1 Nicolai Valuev 7'0"
2 Wilt Chamberlain 7'1"
3 Angus McKaskill 7'9"
4 Vitali Klitchko 6'8"
5 Vladmir Klitchko 6'6"
6 Tyson Fury 6'9"
7 Bill Russle 6'9"
8 Michael Jordan 6'10"
9 Jess Willard 6'7"
10 Rocky Marciano 5'10"

So far, Marciano has caved Michael Jordan's head in with a lefhook, and Angus McKaskill has put Nicolai Valuev through the canvas.

Next, Jess Willard thoroughly beat up Bill "Tussle" Russel in a smooth four rounder.

In a surprise, Wilt "the stilt" Chamberlain has KO'd both Klitscho brothers successively, after big brother Vitali entered the ring to protest the "stilts" KO of little bro. Both brothers are now out of the tourney.

Next up, Marciano faces the great Tyson Fury. Can anyone pick Rocky in this encounter?

Can we imagine Rocky is 6'0 210 at least?


The truth is Marciano's bmi mass in current modern era would be the same practically...5'11 at 200 pounds based on body mass index...this was already figured out....so .... a big NO!He wasn't even fast to begin with...maybe if you somehow weigh down Furys shoes with concrete Marciano has at least a about a 40% chance to win....



Does anyone understand a 67 inch reach to a 85 inch one and why a moving target is almost impossible to get a clear shot off of if you don't move fast and are about 5'10? If not maybe you need to get a check up!

I had to state these thing because I know SOME ppl will actually justify a Marciano win here.Keep in mind I didn't bring up the 70/80 pound weight advantage either....ooooops....