Joe Frazier was not a great fighter

[SuzieQ49]

Without Joe Frazier, Ali's greatness dwindles, considerably.

Without Joe Frazier, Ali cannot boast 2-1 in their trilogy, which was considered great initially because of the fighter Frazier was n' how his style complemented Ali's.

Without Joe Frazier, George Foreman does not have his best win, which in turn lowers the significance of Ali's victory over George.

Joe Frazier's legacy is not only that of a great fighter, but it played a key role in underlining the significance of his rivals finest hours.

Joe Frazier's true greatness can never be over-stated, partly because it is always under-stated.

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[Imira]

Gotta love ol' Smokin' Joe!

[brownpimp88]

Holyfield accomplished more than frazier, joe is just bitter cuz he's jealous. His claim to fame is beating an ali that took 3 years off. When holyfield beats tyson, thats the excuse they make, when joe does it its ok right, lol. Holyfield has beat a hall of famer like qawi twice, tyson twice, bowe, moorer and many b level fighters. What has frazier done besides beating ali and foster, yeah he beat b level fighters. So i dont know why frazier is held in such a high regard while holyfield is underrated like crazy. Are you guys mad that maybe holy and lennox are truly greats and you guys cant ur **** out of the old asses.

[butterfly1964]

Holyfield accomplished more than frazier, joe is just bitter cuz he's jealous. His claim to fame is beating an ali that took 3 years off. When holyfield beats tyson, thats the excuse they make, when joe does it its ok right, lol. Holyfield has beat a hall of famer like qawi twice, tyson twice, bowe, moorer and many b level fighters. What has frazier done besides beating ali and foster, yeah he beat b level fighters. So i dont know why frazier is held in such a high regard while holyfield is underrated like crazy. Are you guys mad that maybe holy and lennox are truly greats and you guys cant ur **** out of the old asses.

Holyfield couldn't carry Frazier's jockstrap. You think the version of Tyson that Holyfield beat was better than he version of Ali that Frazier beat? Ali was an undefeated fighter coming off a stoppage of Oscar Bonavena who was never stopped before or since. Tyson was coming off of a win over Bruce Seldon. Who? Exactly! Not many people would be able to beat Ali that night. I couyld name more that could beat the aforementioned version of Tyson.

[Rockin']

Holyfield couldn't carry Frazier's jockstrap.

It seems in the thread that the thread starter was trying to dishonor Frazier, no need to try and dishonor Holyfield who was an honorable champion.............Rockin'

[eazy_mas]

Joe Frazier have greatest bob and weaving of the body of all time.

without Frazier part of Tyson style would be there.

Apollo Crete ducked him too so you gotta give creidt for a guy as much talented and maybe the 1 p4p slugger of all time

[brownpimp88]

Holyfield couldn't carry Frazier's jockstrap. You think the version of Tyson that Holyfield beat was better than he version of Ali that Frazier beat? Ali was an undefeated fighter coming off a stoppage of Oscar Bonavena who was never stopped before or since. Tyson was coming off of a win over Bruce Seldon. Who? Exactly! Not many people would be able to beat Ali that night. I couyld name more that could beat the aforementioned version of Tyson.

Haha, its very easy to say that you can name people that would have beat tyson nowdays. Back then tyson was thought of as invincible, dont try and change history. Bonavena is in the same league as guys like bruno, he aint anything special. Most guys frazier beat aint anything special anyways, are they? Holyfield still has wins over bowe, qawi and moorer on top of that. What does frazier have smart guy? Jimmy Ellis and Buster Mathis, lol.

Ring Magazine did the 80 best fighters of the last 80 years, and they ranked holyfield well ahead of your boy frazier, so i guess joe couldnt handle his jockstraps.

[The Surgeon]

Cum to think of it I cant think of a fight id rather see than Frazier vs Holyfeild! BOTH GREAT fighters, no question!

[BKM-]

Haha, its very easy to say that you can name people that would have beat tyson nowdays. Back then tyson was thought of as invincible, dont try and change history. Bonavena is in the same league as guys like bruno, he aint anything special. Most guys frazier beat aint anything special anyways, are they? Holyfield still has wins over bowe, qawi and moorer on top of that. What does frazier have smart guy? Jimmy Ellis and Buster Mathis, lol.

Ring Magazine did the 80 best fighters of the last 80 years, and they ranked holyfield well ahead of your boy frazier, so i guess joe couldnt handle his jockstraps.

Its just another attempt to hype Frazier up, and by that, overrating Ali.

[butterfly1964]

Haha, its very easy to say that you can name people that would have beat tyson nowdays. Back then tyson was thought of as invincible, dont try and change history. Bonavena is in the same league as guys like bruno, he aint anything special. Most guys frazier beat aint anything special anyways, are they? Holyfield still has wins over bowe, qawi and moorer on top of that. What does frazier have smart guy? Jimmy Ellis and Buster Mathis, lol.

Ring Magazine did the 80 best fighters of the last 80 years, and they ranked holyfield well ahead of your boy frazier, so i guess joe couldnt handle his jockstraps.

Again, my point is that the version of Ali that Frazier beat was waaaay better than the version of Tyson that Holyfield beat.

End of discussion.