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  • #41
    if foreman only had heart in his first career he could have beaten ali
    He had heart and courage but just little stamina and brains.

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    • #42
      Originally posted by hemichromis
      if foreman only had heart in his first career he could have beaten ali
      ** If only you had some brains to spark a match. Someone done filled your noggin with cotton candy.

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      • #43
        Hagler, SRR, Joe Lious, Archie Moore, SRL, Arguello, Ricardo Lopez, Eric Morales, and Holyfield are my choices.

        I would also put Leonard up there. Doesn't have any obvious big flaws.

        Arguello is a great choice for reasons people already listed. A complete boxer.

        The "HawK" Aaron Pyror was NOT a complete fighter. Threw punches from his waist, kept his hands down during flurries, and ate a lot of punches. Still one of my top ten favs fighters but not a complete package. He was the "Human windmill of punches."

        Ricardo Lopez. That guy had single KO power, a good chin, a good defense and always had a good game plan. Very dominant fighter in all his matches.

        Holyfield isn't too shabby as a Cruiserweight or even as Heavyweight. Holyfield will always offer a competitive fight to any fighter in his prime. Lottve people think I'm crazy but I think Holyfield in his best fight could beat any top10 heavyweight at their best except Foreman.

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        • #44
          43 replies and not one mention of Roberto Duran. Bah!

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          • #45
            Originally posted by ricecrispi
            The "HawK" Aaron Pyror was NOT a complete fighter. Threw punches from his waist, kept his hands down during flurries, and ate a lot of punches. Still one of my top ten favs fighters but not a complete package. He was the "Human windmill of punches."

            Holyfield isn't too shabby as a Cruiserweight or even as Heavyweight. Holyfield will always offer a competitive fight to any fighter in his prime. Lottve people think I'm crazy but I think Holyfield in his best fight could beat any top10 heavyweight at their best except Foreman.
            Pryor dominating Arguello is an example of a great technically complete fighter being no match for a great but technically flawed and unpredictable one. Manny Pacman beating Berrera and Morales are other recent examples.

            Holyfield is under-rated. He was able to beat top level competition by deploying different styles. I can't think of another heavyweight champion more adaptable style wise than Evander Holyfield.

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            • #46
              ray robinson. he could fight inside or outside. he could in the trenches and fight the tough guys or he can get center ring and play with the fast technicians. he had 2 things: he hit hard and he had a hard chin. he had an incorrigible will to continue. he never yield/he never quit. he had incredible basics and his decision making skills were extremely quick. these are the traits of great fighters, IMO.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by Thoth View Post
                43 replies and not one mention of Roberto Duran. Bah!
                He's the 800-lb. gorrilla in the corner of the room that no one notices...

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                • #48
                  In no particular order (except memory)...

                  These are 10 fighters who had all the tools and were not shy about using them:
                  • Sugar Ray Robinson
                  • Henry Armstrong
                  • Joe Louis
                  • Muhammad Ali
                  • Roberto Duran*
                  • Marvin Hagler
                  • Sugar Ray Leonard
                  • Thomas Hearns
                  • Julio Cesar Chavez
                  • Alexis Arguello
                  *To see the quintessence of a complete fighter in action, click on the blue text in my signature below.
                  Last edited by Panamaniac; 11-06-2007, 02:15 PM.

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                  • #49
                    Recent fighters as all the obvious old timers have been mentioned and rightly so. Evander Holyfield,Lennox Lewis,Roy Jones Jnr,Joe Calzaghe,Meldrick Taylor,Thomas Hearns,Sugar Ray Leonard,Marvelous Marvin Hagler,Roberto Duran etc etc.

                    But none of them come close to Sugar Ray Robinson, the greatest fighter ever p4p bar none.

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                    • #50
                      I think Lennox could have showed alot more of the complete package than he did. I think he was overly cautious alot of times, had he been more outward with his boxing skill and power he would have been more dominant than he was, instead we saw him in the preventive type defensive mode alot.

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