P4P list is bull****

[Mr.MojoRisin']

You seriously need evidence of scientific research that muscle needs more oxygen therefor your stamina will suffer? I thought common knowledge was enough for people nowadays but not for your dumbass. You have no clue.



Talk about pseudoscience, the irony. Guys like Wladimir have far more muscle mass on their frames than they would have if they weren't professional athletes, so your 'natural bodyweight' argument is nonsensical. I don't know how many times I have to repeat that speed and stamina will decrease for you to ignore it.

Don't be butthurt that you're the only one who can't understand the concept of size affecting physical abilities. You should've stayed in school.

Your dumb af dude. No **** muscle needs oxygen but no successful boxer would put on 50lbs of muscle. No one could even put on 50lbs with out gaining fat! You fail to take so many things into account like height and metabolism. BOXERS AREN'T BODYBUILDERS! Why would a fighter go from 190 to 240? Over those years that it is put on, the heart adjusts to accommodate that new muscle mass that is added. Your trying to say that HW's would have a heart attack just trying to step in the ring!

Who tf says butthurt anymore, is this the 5th grade? The only mf that would be butthurt here is you from all of your boyfriends ****ing you in the ass every night while you post on here.

Get hoe'd.

[BKM-2010]

Your dumb af dude. No **** muscle needs oxygen but no successful boxer would put on 50lbs of muscle.

I was giving and extreme example to someone who is extremely moronic, like you. It was fair play.

No one could even put on 50lbs with out gaining fat! You fail to take so many things into account like height and metabolism. BOXERS AREN'T BODYBUILDERS!

I never said 50lbs of pure muscle, I said he would still be muscular and lean after gaining all of that weight. Again I was using an extreme example to make you understand how the heavier you get, the more of your crucial abilites you lose. You've ignored it about 3 times in a row now so I'm just going to take this as a loss from you since you can't understand this simple concept.

You would have to be the ******est POS that ever posted on the history of this website if you can't see that guys who are much bigger have those disadvantages to overcome. You cannot maintain the same level of speed/stamina/chin at the heavier weight classes, end of.

Why would a fighter go from 190 to 240? Over those years that it is put on, the heart adjusts to accommodate that new muscle mass that is added.

Take a look at where Roy Jones JR started and how muscular and ripped he still was as a heavyweight, numbskull. He was the best of the 90s and even he was nowhere near as fast, explosive and energetic as he was at the lowest weights of his career.

is this the 5th grade?

Lets see below

Get hoe'd.

Yes you are you cretinoid of a useless hoodrat. Hopefully you visit your maker in a drive-by today so you can't spoil this section with your mere presence. You're such a great addition to Boxing History Sub-human.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

I was giving and extreme example to someone who is extremely moronic, like you. It was fair play.



I never said 50lbs of pure muscle, I said he would still be muscular and lean after gaining all of that weight. Again I was using an extreme example to make you understand how the heavier you get, the more of your crucial abilites you lose. You've ignored it about 3 times in a row now so I'm just going to take this as a loss from you since you can't understand this simple concept.

You would have to be the ******est POS that ever posted on the history of this website if you can't see that guys who are much bigger have those disadvantages to overcome. You cannot maintain the same level of speed/stamina/chin at the heavier weight classes, end of.



Take a look at where Roy Jones JR started and how muscular and ripped he still was as a heavyweight, numbskull. He was the best of the 90s and even he was nowhere near as fast, explosive and energetic as he was at the lowest weights of his career.




Lets see below



Yes you are you cretinoid of a useless hoodrat. Hopefully you visit your maker in a drive-by today so you can't spoil this section with your mere presence. You're such a great addition to Boxing History Sub-human.

Again, you forget to take in to account so many things:
1. RJJ fought 1 time at HW and was outweighed by 33 lbs also he was 196
2. As he got older his normal weight got higher, that is SCIENCE he even said that his normal weight at the beginning of his career was 168
3. Physique doesn't matter, boxing isn't bodybuilding
4. 99% of HW don't have a natural bodyweight anywhere that is waaay below what they are at right now in fact it is usually higher than their fighting weight.
5. An example of a good fighter at HW who fought at a lower weight would be James Toney who schooled tf out of Holyfield.

You know you're wrong because you resort to name calling due to the fact that you're insecure for whatever reason.

Get hoe'd for the second time

[Ray Corso]

............"James Toney who schooled tf out of Holyfield"

You do realixe Holyfield was no where near prime. Evander in his prime beats the living hell out of James.



Back to p4p today its not difficult to SEE that Rigo and Chocolatito are easily the best qualified for that grouping. Their skills translate to any weight class
and they're knowledge of how to break down an opponent is pretty obvious.
Not sure why theres a "list" you pick one and its done.
For me the edge goes to Chocolatito! He gets the nod over Rigo because he comes to the ring to eliminate the judges, Rigo shows the judges that his opponent skill level is inferior in every way to his talents.

Ray

[billeau2]

Something else to consider here: regarding the natural strength of a heavyweight and the addition of muscle. The best punchers in history have not been the biggest men. There is a lot more to fighting as a heavyweight than simply power. If one were to take a range of fighters from 175 up to 240 and draw a line from 175 on up to 240...then take the most dangerous punchers in boxing, those who punched the hardest and see where their weights settled on the line, and circle that area of the line, it would not be from 220 up...not even at 190 up.

Even when the average size of a heavyweight was 190 you still had guys who were 200 and above, so Prima Canera was around when Max Bauer was around if you catch my drift...and when Bob Foster was around there were many heavyweights who were could punch, but not nearly as hard.

In fact your circle would probably reflect that from around 180 to 220 was where the hardest punchers ranged.

[ShoulderRoll]

I love P4P lists. They are a way of trying to classify fighters by skill and ability and resume.

Sometimes the heavyweights can cut it and sometimes they can't. Nothing wrong with that, P4P should be a title that is earned.

[Anthony342]

Something else to consider here: regarding the natural strength of a heavyweight and the addition of muscle. The best punchers in history have not been the biggest men. There is a lot more to fighting as a heavyweight than simply power. If one were to take a range of fighters from 175 up to 240 and draw a line from 175 on up to 240...then take the most dangerous punchers in boxing, those who punched the hardest and see where their weights settled on the line, and circle that area of the line, it would not be from 220 up...not even at 190 up.

Even when the average size of a heavyweight was 190 you still had guys who were 200 and above, so Prima Canera was around when Max Bauer was around if you catch my drift...and when Bob Foster was around there were many heavyweights who were could punch, but not nearly as hard.

In fact your circle would probably reflect that from around 180 to 220 was where the hardest punchers ranged.

It's Baer, not Bauer.

[billeau2]

It's Baer, not Bauer.

If I watch my spelling it takes me a long time to post...partially due to dyslexia. if yu lk at ths sntence yr mnd fils in th blnks atmtclly bcse speling vries acordng to convntton.

grammer is part of the permanent structure of language, its in our brains actually. But even grammer is fluid. For example, when was the last time you saw one of these? ; semicolons used to be used often; they functioned to take two ideas and make them whole, or to list causes. You don't see them anymore because we write in much shorter sentences.

So, while I would never write in a way that was grammatically obtuse, I allow myself to misspell when posting because it would make it tedious and not worth posting.