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  • #11
    Originally posted by Ray Corso View Post
    Not sure Big George would land a punch! Tunney was a master boxer for ANY era! He was years ahead of the curve and even though Dempsey wasn't his old cruel self he was still Dempsey and Tunney was brillant. Tunneys style translates easily to the current times and he could punch too!
    Not sure how it ends but it does develop with Foreman having a tough time landing cleaning if at all.

    People forget or just don't know that Tunney had almost 70 (68 I think)
    and lost ONCE! He dropped one to Greb then drew one then beat Greb twice!
    He was never stopped!! The guy had fineese and could fight too he was a complete package.
    He would give away size and power but he would have the experience and savy to have a shot at disrupting George too.

    George 6'4" 220-30
    Gene 6'0" 180-90

    be a great challenge.

    Ray

    Just out of curiosity do you happen to know the weight difference between Conn and Louis? If memory serves wasn't it about 30 pounds or so?

    never mind found it 175 (Conn) to 199 (Louis) for a difference of so lets say rounded off to 25 pounds....not so differrent and look at how competitive that fight was? So the weight difference is not so staggering.
    Last edited by billeau2; 04-25-2015, 01:30 PM.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by billeau2 View Post
      Just out of curiosity do you happen to know the weight difference between Conn and Louis? If memory serves wasn't it about 30 pounds or so?

      never mind found it 175 (Conn) to 199 (Louis) for a difference of so lets say rounded off to 25 pounds....not so differrent and look at how competitive that fight was? So the weight difference is not so staggering.
      The difference is Conn was 140 pounder a natural 140 pounder first.Foreman is a real HW and would make Tunney look like a little kid.tunneys jumpimg back and forth usually forwards then backwards with his hands down like a bunny would get him killed with Foreman.I really don't understand how anyone can see otherwise?
      Last edited by juggernaut666; 04-25-2015, 01:50 PM.

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      • #13
        Everyone weighs 140 sometime in their lives. If you box from your early teens and your not a heavy structured frame you will "grow" into weight classes and then "grow" out of them.
        Are you dense?
        Evander Holyfeild foughtb at 156 junior middle in his beginning amateur days is he a "natural" light middleweight?

        Realize this jurgernutz Conn & Tunney were far beyond everyone else except Louis and Canzanera and a few others. They are the beginning of what Johnson started as to mobility and lateral moves.
        You two guys want to engage in conversation but you talk about people you have no knowledge of! Your not BS here because your talking to me to start with and others who know the history of the sport and the men in it!

        When you look at Conn, Tunney, Pep, Canzanera, B. Leonard etc.......you'll know that boxing skills with movement and punches in combination go back to fellows who excelled and would excell today too!
        Again if you study the right & wrong techniques you will evaluate using knowledge not picking your "favorites" to excell from idolizm.

        Study and learn so when your in a conversation you have something vital to add instead of how tall the guy was and what he weighed!!!

        Ray

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        • #14
          Originally posted by Ray Corso View Post
          Everyone weighs 140 sometime in their lives. If you box from your early teens and your not a heavy structured frame you will "grow" into weight classes and then "grow" out of them.
          Are you dense?
          Evander Holyfeild foughtb at 156 junior middle in his beginning amateur days is he a "natural" light middleweight?

          Realize this jurgernutz Conn & Tunney were far beyond everyone else except Louis and Canzanera and a few others. They are the beginning of what Johnson started as to mobility and lateral moves.
          You two guys want to engage in conversation but you talk about people you have no knowledge of! Your not BS here because your talking to me to start with and others who know the history of the sport and the men in it!

          When you look at Conn, Tunney, Pep, Canzanera, B. Leonard etc.......you'll know that boxing skills with movement and punches in combination go back to fellows who excelled and would excell today too!
          Again if you study the right & wrong techniques you will evaluate using knowledge not picking your "favorites" to excell from idolizm.

          Study and learn so when your in a conversation you have something vital to add instead of how tall the guy was and what he weighed!!!

          Ray
          The point and TOPIC of the previous post was size and no one who ever really follows or fights or trains will argue that a natural 140 pounder will have the same power as a natural 220 pounder,only you would and yes beyond their time is correct,it is simply standard practice now,its called footwork RAY......
          Last edited by juggernaut666; 04-25-2015, 02:08 PM.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by juggernaut666 View Post
            The point and TOPIC of the previous post was size and no one who ever really follows or fights or trains will argue that a natural 140 pounder will have the same power as a natural 220 pounder,only you would RAY......
            How is any of the guys mentioned a "natural 140 pounder".

            A natural 140 fighter would be hatton, manny, tszyu, chavez type size

            Conn and Tunney were roy jones type size...these guys could give any heavyweight fighter problems

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            • #16
              This kid has NO idea who Conn or Tunny were. He knows Conn fought Louis and Tunney fought Dempsey other than that he knows what alter ego knows
              .........NOTHING!!!

              Go back on Fantasy Land here you get chopped up!!!

              Ray.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali View Post
                How is any of the guys mentioned a "natural 140 pounder".

                A natural 140 fighter would be hatton, manny, tszyu, chavez type size

                Conn and Tunney were roy jones type size...these guys could give any heavyweight fighter problems
                Because they fought at that weight as adults not 13 year old kids that weighed 155 once like Ray used..lol...conn was only 5'7 or so,obviously he isn't over muscled either.Jones is pretty big at 160 plus,to compare body structure of conn to him would be a joke as it would for skinny Tunney as well.
                Last edited by juggernaut666; 04-25-2015, 03:59 PM.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by Ray Corso View Post
                  This kid has NO idea who Conn or Tunny were. He knows Conn fought Louis and Tunney fought Dempsey other than that he knows what alter ego knows
                  .........NOTHING!!!

                  Go back on Fantasy Land here you get chopped up!!!

                  Ray.
                  just remember a 140 pounder who moves up to 170 still isn't a real HW anyway.....RAY.....

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                  • #19
                    Conn weighed 7 lbs. 11 oz. at birth, so that must be his natural weight.

                    Young Foreman had slow reflexes and was slow of both hand and foot. He simply overpowered boxers who did not know how to move out of the way of his wild charges. The thing we know about him was that he could not keep this up throughout a fight. Jimmy Young and Ali showed the two syles that could beat him.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by The Old LefHook View Post
                      Conn weighed 7 lbs. 11 oz. at birth, so that must be his natural weight.

                      Young Foreman had slow reflexes and was slow of both hand and foot. He simply overpowered boxers who did not know how to move out of the way of his wild charges. The thing we know about him was that he could not keep this up throughout a fight. Jimmy Young and Ali showed the two syles that could beat him.
                      Young had defense and Ali in 1980 would still beat Tunney. It is simply madness looking at Tunney fight how he remotely would win against Foreman .

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