Was Lennox using PEDs

[The Old LefHook]

My opinion is that at least 90% of boxers over the last 30yrs use PEDs... Yet if i made this thread stating that.. then it would have been hijacked by Lewis fanboys claiming their man was always drug-free

Finally. This is a fact, and does not require a pilloried Lewis.

You only have to understand the minds of top athletes to know they took "substances" whenever it was not illegal or banned, and of course in many cases where it was. Top athletes will do about anything for an advantage, especially when an action is not a clearcut violation. The entire athletic world is, has been and ever will be rife with PED use. Expect anything in the future, even molecule-sized robots furtively injected into the bloodstream to stabalize physical functions.

Then again, such robots might eventually replace human judges. Blood would be drawn immediately after a fight to examine their data and determine the winner.

[joeandthebums]

My opinion is that at least 90% of boxers over the last 30yrs use PEDs...

Not sure on the percentage, but yes I could agree with the belief that the majority of current boxers are using performance enhancing drugs.

[sonnyboyx2]

Lewis vs Tyson the largest grossing Heavyweight fight ever on PPV was staged in Memphis Tennessee. So as to avoid any kind of Drug Testing before or after the fight. FACT!

[sonnyboyx2]

Not sure on the percentage, but yes I could agree with the belief that the majority of current boxers are using performance enhancing drugs.

I will rephrase my above comment to say, " IMO 90% of Top 20 rated boxers & Champions over the last 30yrs have used PEDs"...

Ken Norton
Mike Weaver
Manny Pacquiao
Floyd Mayweather
Evander Holyfield
Shannon Briggs
Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis
Larry Holmes
George Foreman
David Tua
Frans Botha
Hasim Rahman
Roy Jones Jr.
James Toney
Vitali Klitschko
Wlad Klitschko
Tommy Morrison
David Haye
Juan Manuel Marquez

All have question marks against them, along with hundreds of other top rated fighters.

[ukbox]

It's understandable that there are question marks surrounding sport in general following the exposure of doping.

I think what is being suggested while somewhat plausible is unlikely to have happened.

Boxing is a beautiful but brutal sport, it always has been.
PED's is pretty open ended but the name suggest they all enhance a fighters performance.
These enhancements wouldn't & couldn't have gone unnoticed in the sport if they were happening in the percentage being discussed.

Names mentioned are mostly HW so we're not talking about weight cutting.
IMO you'd have seen noticable changes in the game like Ben Johnson's sprint.

[sonnyboyx2]

It's understandable that there are question marks surrounding sport in general following the exposure of doping.

I think what is being suggested while somewhat plausible is unlikely to have happened.

Boxing is a beautiful but brutal sport, it always has been.
PED's is pretty open ended but the name suggest they all enhance a fighters performance.
These enhancements wouldn't & couldn't have gone unnoticed in the sport if they were happening in the percentage being discussed.

Names mentioned are mostly HW so we're not talking about weight cutting.
IMO you'd have seen noticable changes in the game like Ben Johnson's sprint.

How many "bouncers/doormen/hardmen/roughians" people you know who fight and bully other people, would you say are on PEDs steroids?

[ukbox]

How many "bouncers/doormen/hardmen/roughians" people you know who fight and bully other people, would you say are on PEDs steroids?

Not a lot..

It depends where you are from, who you mix with.

Up North in Glasgow there's enough people that are radio rental to not need PED's steroids.

Down South in London/Essex there's more of it.

A good friend of mine as a kid was obsessed with being a gangster. He went to a private school & left high school with about 15 gcse, latin & all sorts.

He'd always read those silly gangster books, anyway, he got on the gear, became huge & ended up working the doors.

Another pal was obsessed with Arnie as a kid, posters of predator on his walls, he also got huge & on the gear.
His uncle ran one of the biggest security firms in the area, loads of clubs/pubs. My pal didn't get any work as he was a better fighter in his head than in person.

His uncle who had the firm. It was a stones throw(train stop) from the Essex Boys gangsters..had plenty of doormen, most were the typical body builder or fat fecker.
His top doorman, the one that he had to have & the one he raved about was lucky if he was 11 stone soaking wet with his pockets full.
He was a muay thai fighter. The MT guy never took any PED's.

There must have been plenty of other boxers, kickboxers working the doors up & down the country that were off the gear too.

I guess what I'm saying is in my experience it's people who can't fight that are more likely to try to enhance themselves, it's not to say it doesn't happen, there's some nasty people out there.

[Scott9945]

Not sure on the percentage, but yes I could agree with the belief that the majority of current boxers are using performance enhancing drugs.

Same here. Reality isn't always what we want to hear.

[ukbox]

Same here. Reality isn't always what we want to hear.

The greatness displayed isn't the result of some PED, it's the result of decades of learning & perfecting their skills.

[joeandthebums]

The greatness displayed isn't the result of some PED, it's the result of decades of learning & perfecting their skills.

Boxing does not have a anti-doping strategy. It is the stand out professional sport in which almost zero testing is conducted.

That does not automatically make all boxers dopers, but if you look at the last few years where some minor testing has been done - the boxers, promoters and authorities have in the whole acted very poorly.

The Erik Morales-Danny Garcia situation was a good indication of how doping is dealt with in boxing.

The message I get is: It's impossible to catch a boxer who dopes as they set when they will be tested, and if they mismanage their usage, depending on which promotional company they're with, they may get a second or third chance to pass the test.

Despite Mayweathers PR for drug testing and being clean we are in a worse place then the Armstrong era of cycling.