Why todays era is better than past eras. Discussion.

[Ray Corso]

This jackazz kid calls names and gives accusations but when he's called out on it with proof and runs and hides like the baby he is!
This kid has told more stories and lies and why he is tolerated after being confronted and he offers no proof of his tails is beyond me.

I called you out punk so back off talking sh*! about me because you were called on it and punked out!

nite try to tell the truth the rest of your life, moron.

Ray

[juggernaut666]

This jackazz kid calls names and gives accusations but when he's called out on it with proof and runs and hides like the baby he is!
This kid has told more stories and lies and why he is tolerated after being confronted and he offers no proof of his tails is beyond me.

I called you out punk so back off talking sh*! about me because you were called on it and punked out!

nite try to tell the truth the rest of your life, moron.

Ray

'This kid has told more stories and lies and why he is tolerated after being confronted and he offers no proof of his tails is beyond me.'


Right ray ...right! don't forget your meds ...nighty ....night!

[Ben Bolt]

Excuse me for interrupting your private slugfest, but in a way I think yesterday’s era was better.

Because, boxing journalism went from loathing the sanctioning bodies to accept them, and be dictated by them, in just a few years.

Not long ago, the name of the HW champ was known all over the world.
As of today, Wlad has ruled for several years, but ask anyone outside boxing “who is Wladimir Klitschko” and most haven’t a clue.

All these multiple “world” champions have been devastating to the sport’s reputation.
It would have needed some more Bert Sugars out there, fighting the ridiculous.

[Elroy1]

Excuse me for interrupting your private slugfest, but in a way I think yesterday’s era was better.

Because, boxing journalism went from loathing the sanctioning bodies to accept them, and be dictated by them, in just a few years.

Not long ago, the name of the HW champ was known all over the world.
As of today, Wlad has ruled for several years, but ask anyone outside boxing “who is Wladimir Klitschko” and most haven’t a clue.

All these multiple “world” champions have been devastating to the sport’s reputation.
It would have needed some more Bert Sugars out there, fighting the ridiculous.

Some good points Ben. I see you have moved now into the realm of the business of boxing. So let's see.

On the surface, it seems like you'd e right in asserting the HW champ was better known than today, but a few things challenge that.

First, what used to be considered THE HW champ was actually an American champ. Today, the champs are not only European, but they have crushed the Americans to such a point of irrelevance that they began to lose interest in boxing altogether. If America won a HW title again, immediately it would e a hot topic (exc Wilder as that's obviously not for real).

And of course if we went to Ukraine or Russia, we'd find the champs Povetkin and Wladimir would be 2 of the most recognised figures in all of sport- the notion of past eras boxers being more famous, is in fact a biased Western viewpoint.

There is ONE (and only one) exception to the rule that I will grant you...

Mike Tyson

Everybody the world over knows who he is and will continue to know for a long time, even non-boxing people.

[juggernaut666]

Excuse me for interrupting your private slugfest, but in a way I think yesterday’s era was better.

Because, boxing journalism went from loathing the sanctioning bodies to accept them, and be dictated by them, in just a few years.

Not long ago, the name of the HW champ was known all over the world.
As of today, Wlad has ruled for several years, but ask anyone outside boxing “who is Wladimir Klitschko” and most haven’t a clue.

All these multiple “world” champions have been devastating to the sport’s reputation.
It would have needed some more Bert Sugars out there, fighting the ridiculous.

we are not measuring popularity we are measuring skill...boxings belts grew simply there are more fighters now and weight divisions to spread,only a few uneducated posters continue to argue that...as far as skill well.....weve come along way....

[Elroy1]

we are not measuring popularity we are measuring skill...boxings belts grew simply there are more fighters now and weight divisions to spread,only a few uneducated posters continue to argue that...as far as skill well.....weve come along way....

Right on!

In fact anybody who can look at pre-professional era boxers training/fights/skills/conditioning or whatever and sees ANYTHING remotely approaching, let alone exceeding the now standards is a STRAIGHT UP NUT BAG!

And that's no bloody opinion.

That is a fact!

[ShoulderRoll]

There is ONE (and only one) exception to the rule that I will grant you...

Mike Tyson

Everybody the world over knows who he is and will continue to know for a long time, even non-boxing people.

Mike Tyson was trained by an "old time nutbag."

Freddie Roach learned the craft of training by serving a period of apprenticeship under an "old time nutbag."

Floyd Mayweather was raised to be a fighter by his dad, who was taught all he knows about boxing by...you guessed at...yet another "old time nutbag."

Wladimir Klitschko's career was saved and prolonged thanks to the modifications made to his style by an "old time nutbag."

Like it or not the most successful personalities of the modern era all have ties in one form or another to the great American boxing tradition of the past.

[juggernaut666]

Right on!

In fact anybody who can look at pre-professional era boxers training/fights/skills/conditioning or whatever and sees ANYTHING remotely approaching, let alone exceeding the now standards is a STRAIGHT UP NUT BAG!

And that's no bloody opinion.

That is a fact!

Admittedly im joking a bit here as Vitalis vid footage is extreme as he uses many old school 1950's methods and new school...however the point is its just dumb trying to tell me old school fighters were more WELL schooled its not true.

[juggernaut666]

Mike Tyson was trained by an "old time nutbag."

Freddie Roach learned the craft of training by serving a period of apprenticeship under an "old time nutbag."

Floyd Mayweather was raised to be a fighter by his dad, who was taught all he knows about boxing by...you guessed at...yet another "old time nutbag."

Wladimir Klitschko's career was saved and prolonged thanks to the modifications made to his style by an "old time nutbag."

Like it or not the most successful personalities of the modern era all have ties in one form or another to the great American boxing tradition of the past.

Trainers don't make the sport the fighters do.....you are only as good as your trainer though. You are arguing techniques they don't go anywhere either but are revamped or taking to other levels depending on the fighter.



Floyd Patterson < Mike Tyson

[Elroy1]

Mike Tyson was trained by an "old time nutbag."

Freddie Roach learned the craft of training by serving a period of apprenticeship under an "old time nutbag."

Floyd Mayweather was raised to be a fighter by his dad, who was taught all he knows about boxing by...you guessed at...yet another "old time nutbag."

Wladimir Klitschko's career was saved and prolonged thanks to the modifications made to his style by an "old time nutbag."

Like it or not the most successful personalities of the modern era all have ties in one form or another to the great American boxing tradition of the past.

And just like the fighters themselves, the TRAINERS take what was there previously and build upon it.

You know where this goes right.. The guys the Mayweather dad and uncle learned off did not know all the Mayweather's knew, likewise the guy who taught Roach and Steward and so on.

The direction of knowledge growth goes from past to future, people weren't infinitely smart at the beginning and have gotten dumber ever since and they wont be dumber tomorrow!

These guys are certainly NOT nut bags (atleast for any of the reasons yoou are implying).

A nut bag is clearly anybody who subscries to the notion that the old timers were etter/knew more than today (hence OLD TIME nut bags).

It does NOT mean that all the old timers of the sport were nut bags! It is a reference to the current sect that has sealed itself off from reality in past worship where no new ideas can then arise, exactly like a religion, like a viral meme.

As for your American defence.. Sure!

America contriuted greatly to the development of boxing. I would never argue otherwise!