is Lennox Lewis overrated on boxing forums

[BattlingNelson]

None of those fighters listed would even be competitive with Lewis. Karl Mildenberger?

Mildenberger is really not a laughingstock. He arguably gave Ali his toughest challenge in the 60s.

[Scott9945]

Mildenberger is really not a laughingstock. He arguably gave Ali his toughest challenge in the 60s.

Sorry, but Mildenberger was crap. He never beat a top heavyweight even though he fought almost exclusively in Germany. His style/stance didn't flatter Ali, but he didn't win many rounds and certainly never hurt him. He parlayed the Ali loss into getting in the WBA tournament to replace him, and was embarrassed by Oscar Bonavena.

The idea of Mildenberger beating Lewis is so absurd, even Sonnyboy dismissed the possibility.

[sonnyboyx2]

Mildenberger is really not a laughingstock. He arguably gave Ali his toughest challenge in the 60s.

Thats correct Bat, it took Ali over 10rds to "work out" Mildenburgers style. Mildenburger beat some very good boxers in the 60s Eddie Machen & Billy Walker also a draw with Zora Folley tells you he was no slouch.

[BattlingNelson]

Sorry, but Mildenberger was crap. He never beat a top heavyweight even though he fought almost exclusively in Germany. His style/stance didn't flatter Ali, but he didn't win many rounds and certainly never hurt him. He parlayed the Ali loss into getting in the WBA tournament to replace him, and was embarrassed by Oscar Bonavena.

The idea of Mildenberger beating Lewis is so absurd, even Sonnyboy dismissed the possibility.

He was a southpaw and gave prime Ali a good deal of trouble. For that he does not deserve to be laughed at. A lot of people have knee-jerk reactions as soon as fighters come from certain parts of the world. That is not directed at you Scott. As you know I respect you and your opinions a great deal, but I disagreed there.

[Scott9945]

He was a southpaw and gave prime Ali a good deal of trouble. For that he does not deserve to be laughed at. A lot of people have knee-jerk reactions as soon as fighters come from certain parts of the world. That is not directed at you Scott. As you know I respect you and your opinions a great deal, but I disagreed there.

Well I wasn't laughing at Mildenberger as much as the idea of him beating Lewis (or any top heavyweight since then). Maybe crap was too strong of a word though. I saw his fights with Ali and Bonavena on live TV. To me he always seemed like someone who made his reputation on being Ali's most difficult title challenger in his first reign. That sounds good, but imo Ali fought very weak opposition in the 60's. He didn't come close to beating Ali though. As far as southpaw heavyweights go, I'd rate both Byrd and Moorer considerably higher than him.

And of course the respect is mutual Bat.

[sonnyboyx2]

Tiny glass chinned Patterson beats Lewis?

Well Ned.. it's now time for me to stop replying to your posts, because your knowledge of this sport of boxing is nil..Your comment here could not be further from the truth. Floyd Patterson was `anything but` glass chinned. His chin was vastly superior than what Lennox Lewis chin was. Patterson lost two fights by KO in his entire career, his achievements are incredible and will most likely never be surpassed. Floyd was the youngest ever Heavyweight Champion and the first fighter to ever regain the title (undisputed). Floyd turned pro in 1952 at Light-Heavyweight and was ranked the following year. He went on to be ranked as such.

Light Heavyweight

1953 7
1954 4
1955 1

Heavyweights

1956 Champion
1957 Champion
1958 Champion
1959 2
1960 Champion
1961 Champion
1962 1
1963 7
1964 2
1965 2
1966 4
1967 7
1968 10
1969 Unranked
1970 Unranked#
1971 7
1972 5

Between 1953 and 1972 there were only two years where Floyd Patterson was not ranked in the top 10 by Ring Magazine. He has an unbroken streak of 15 years ranked in the top 10. This is an incredible 19 years over which he was consistently operating at the elite level.

He entered the heavyweight rankings when Rocky Marciano was champion, and bowed out of them under the title reign of Joe Frazier. This is a remarkable accomplishment given that he was a small heavyweight with an offensive style, fighting in an era of dreadnoughts.

Floyd Patterson was ranked in the Top 10 for more years than any other fighter in history. He actually became a better fighter after his two defeats to Sonny Liston and was terribly unlucky not to be given the decision over Jimmy Ellis in 1968 which would have seen him reclaim the title for a third time. Floyd busted up Ellis over in Sweden. But was not given a fair shake... Floyd vs Chuvalo in 1965 was voted "Fight of the Year".. Floyd suffered "slipped Disc" in his back against Muhammad Ali in 1965 in a great fight for the title. He beat good fighters like Bonavena & Henry Cooper when they was in their prime. Floyd continued winning right up to his final fight in 1972 against Muhammad Ali. Again Floyd put on a brilliant performance, right up to the fight was stopped due to him being cut over both eyes. It was a very sad end to a brilliant career because Floyd was right in the fight, winning rounds with one judge having the fight even at the time of the stoppage... Floyd fought excellent punchers throughout his career like Chuvalo, Machen, Quarry, Ellis, Bonavena, Cooper and only Johansson & Liston beat him by Knock Out. Floyd Patterson was a truly brilliant fighter and you Ned should be ashamed of the comments you have labeled against such a great fighter. Lennox Lewis couldn't lace his ****ing shoes.

[Anthony342]

The guy is still furious about KTFO8 about just as much as Ktards are mad about TKO6.

And mad that his countryman Lewis got beat by McCall apparently.

[LacedUp]

well i have now heard everything. Muhammad Ali was NOT the greatest Heavyweight of all times, Cassius Clay was. Cassius Clay was the fastest punching, fleetest footed Heavyweight who ever lived. Even as an 18yr old in the Olympic Games he looked and boxed like no-one before or after him. Cassius floated like a butterfly & stung like a bee in that 1960 Olympic final. move on 2yrs when Cassius was beating undefeated Billy Daniels, Archie Moore and Doug Jones with dazzling hand and foot speed as well as the fastest jab in Heavyweight history... Here we have LacedUp claiming his hero Lennox Lewis would beat Cassius Clay.. Lennox Lewis with the footwork of a Camel, Lewis who was out-jabbed by bums like Ray Mercer & Frank Bruno. Lewis who got poleaxed by journeymen Rahman & McCall. Lewis who would stand no more than one inch taller than Cassius and who's physique is obviously enhanced by the use of steroids. Lewis who would look like a guy in slow-motion against the "Dancing master, with lightening fast hands"...Oh LacedUp you make me laugh, you even mention a 3 fight trilogy like Cassius had during the 1970s with his arch rival Joe Frazier... But LacedUp, there is a huge difference between Cassius Clay & Muhammad Ali, just like there is a huge difference between Joe Frazier & Lennox Lewis.. Cassius Clay was better than Muhammad Ali in every single aspect of the sport of boxing. While Joe Frazier was better than Lennox Lewis at ever aspect of the sport of boxing. To put it into perspective for you, you have been harping on all day about how good the resume is of Lennox Lewis. Well i would bet my house that Joe Frazier would annihilate every single opponent Lennox Lewis ever fought. The lot... Which gives you a rough idea of Lennox Lewis chances against Cassius Clay!

You know I literally have a tattoo of Ali on my arm right?

Lennox Lewis is certainly not my hero. If anything Ali is. And thanks, I know all about him.
But a Cassius Clay who was just making his first couple of fights and who was put down by journeymen and struggling to find his pro style would not beat a 1998 Lennox Lewis. He was dancing too much and his jab wasn't working and didn't really get himself together. Funny you mention Doug Jones seeing as most people feel Ali indeed lost that fight. Or got very close to it. Regardless, he was not impressive really before after Doug Jones.

1964 onwards, I'd pick him any day of the week. Not in 1960 or whenever it was.

Also you must have trouble reading since I clearly did say multiple times that I don't think lennox has a great resume. Only I think it's better than Tyson's and far far better than Wlad who doesn't have any particularly good names on his resume.

[billeau2]

Again, what was the difference for Toney in the Roy Jones fight and any other Toney fight?

He had to cut big weight for every single fight he had.

There's a big difference between the Tua that fought Lewis and the Tua that came in shape. Literally, on paper there 's a big difference.

So no there is no double standard.

And I only mentioned that Tua was out of shape because Wlad's opponents were said to be "out of shape" yet I keep seeing Tua listed.

Old confucian saying "he who when posting has to play the caveate game, knows he typed malarckey." So lets see....Rudock had been beaten by Tyson, Vitali had not slept for a week, Golata had mental problems, so in fact Lewis has a horrendous resume right? Meanwhile the postman that succumbed to Vlad's ******* was a prime fighting machine ready to DELIVER the goods?

[billeau2]

Briggs, Golota, Grant, Botha, Fortune, Akinwande, Mavrovic, Butler, Jackson all hand pcked for harmlessness. They had never beaten a fighter with a pulse.

you lack credability when it comes to Lewis. Briggs was very good when he was younger, Golata showed his ability against Bowe who yu seem to like.