Where does Roy Jones rank?

[joseph5620]

What was he doing then... What other possible reason could there be for him to take no big fights in nearly 9 years and be content to fight Vinny paz, lucas, etc on hbo.. Yeah it was probably a business decision, but I don't think you can discount it when ranking his resume in terms of atg resumes...

How is fighting Lucas on HBO any worse than fighting Henry Akinwande on HBO? Or Oscar fighting David Kamau? You also can't pretend those fighters you listed were fighting great competition all the time. Trinidad for example made title defenses against plenty of average fighters.

[IronDanHamza]

Your twisting words about John David Jackson,, I merely used him as an example, when setting the tone for how Roy's career went.. He was severely protected by his dad til 92 when roy fired him and got with actual promoters, then took his first step up fights vs limited Castro and vaca in 92..
Then as a business decision it was probably decided that we will cash out only for a toney fight and ignore the other guys, and choses to fight fringe contender for a vacate belt... You can't act like hopkins was nothing more than a fringe cintender at the time.. He had beaten no one of note except for some espn fighters.. That's why it was an undercard fight and not a main event fight between "the worlds top 2 middleweights" as some on this thread try and make it out as.. Hindsight yeah that was probably true, but at the time this fight wasn't a big deal.. Hopkins was nothing more than a fringe contender.. That's not even debatable, I would love to know who hopkins had beaten prior to the vacate title fight with Roy on an undercard of Jessie fergueson.. Lmao

You used him as an example of someone Roy should have fought. How is that twisting anything?

You critisized Roy's opponents and said that's who he should have fought. "the Champions".

Despite the fact he beat Castro, who beat Jackson.

You then say the "Champions" at 175 weren't good. Well what were the ones at Middleweight?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

That's not in order.

Ok and the fact you've got Oliver McCall, Hasim Rahman, Shannon Briggs and Akinwade in your list shows Lewis' lack of depth.

On what planet are they "major fights"?

Clinton Woods lost every time he stepped up? Oliver McCall lost everytime he stepped down.

Henry Akinwande's best win is? Peter McNeely?

Yet you include these jokers on your list but then dismiss Woods? He's better than both of them.

The list I've given for Jones is better than Lewis' list.

Woods isn't better than 99 evander, or mercer, tua, vitali,

Your just focusing on the weakest ones.. What about ruddock, mercer, Morrison, Golata, tua, vitali, evander

Jones may have the best 2 wins but opponents 3 thru 15 I think lennox has a clear edge.

And nearly every single lennox opponent was near their peak outside of evander and tyson.. Even if they were nothing more than hype, most opponents were at their peak.. Not a lot of old faded names on lennox's resume
And not only did Lennox beat them, he dominated and destroyed guys, usually within 2 rds.. Ruddock, mercer, Golata, vitali, grant, briggs,

Rahman, McCall, tua, etc were all at their peaks... And nearly all lennox opponents had a huge punchers chance and were much deadly than del Valle, or hill, or woods, etc..

Tua, McCall, tyson,vitali, evander have some of the greatest chins in history and vitali, tua, tyson and McCall, Rahman are all one punch ko guys.. Much more dangerous opponent than Vinny paz, Tate, Harding,

[IronDanHamza]

How is fighting Lucas on HBO any worse than fighting Henry Akinwande on HBO? Or Oscar fighting David Kamau? You also can't pretend those fighters you listed were fighting great competition all the time. Trinidad for example made title defenses against plenty of average fighters.

"Prime Akinwande"



Hilarious addition to the "list".

"Prime McCall"

"Woods was a decent fighter, lost every time he stepped up"

Then what the hell was Shannon Briggs? What the hell was Hasim Rahman? What the hell was Oliver McCall, what the hell was Frank Bruno?

They were all on Lewis list.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

You used him as an example of someone Roy should have fought. How is that twisting anything?

You critisized Roy's opponents and said that's who he should have fought. "the Champions".

Despite the fact he beat Castro, who beat Jackson.

You then say the "Champions" at 175 weren't good. Well what were the ones at Middleweight?

I'm just using it as an example... Roy fought a fringe contender instead of a champion.. He decided to be on Jesse ferguesons undercard instead of headling vs John David, g-man,
Hard to give a guy a lot of credit for winning a vacate title vs a fringe contender and then never defending vs anyone of note

Who did Reggie and del Valle beat to become champs?



Anyways... I'm done for the night.. I will resume educating everyone on Roy's lack of depth on his resume tomorrow..
Everyone have a good night

[IronDanHamza]

Woods isn't better than 99 evander, or mercer, tua, vitali,

Your just focusing on the weakest ones.. What about ruddock, mercer, Morrison, Golata, tua, vitali, evander

Jones may have the best 2 wins but opponents 3 thru 15 I think lennox has a clear edge.

And nearly every single lennox opponent was near their peak outside of evander and tyson.. Even if they were nothing more than hype, most opponents were at their peak.. Not a lot of old faded names on lennox's resume
And not only did Lennox beat them, he dominated and destroyed guys, usually within 2 rds.. Ruddock, mercer, Golata, vitali, grant, briggs,

Rahman, McCall, tua, etc were all at their peaks... And nearly all lennox opponents had a huge punchers chance and were much deadly than del Valle, or hill, or woods, etc..

Tua, McCall, tyson,vitali, evander have some of the greatest chins in history and vitali, tua, tyson and McCall, Rahman are all one punch ko guys.. Much more dangerous opponent than Vinny paz, Tate, Harding,

But wait, Woods lost everytime he stepped up.

So what did Ray Mercer do?

Mercer is no better than Woods.

It's the fact you include those names like they're good wins, hilariously described as "major" fights then dismiss Jones opposition that's better, or at worst the same level.

Castro, Sosa and Malinga are as good as some of the guys on your list for Lewis, and they didn't make my list for Jones.

The "weaker ones" Jones' are better.

The "stronger ones" Jones are better.

Lewis has barely any wins better than Griffin or Tarver let alone Hopkins and Toney.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

How is fighting Lucas on HBO any worse than fighting Henry Akinwande on HBO? Or Oscar fighting David Kamau? You also can't pretend those fighters you listed were fighting great competition all the time. Trinidad for example made title defenses against plenty of average fighters.

One last post...


I'm not saying every fighter doesn't have a few soft touches, but no superstar has ever done it for 9 years straight..

Sure lewis fought softie akwinada but that was sandwiched in between mercer and Golata

Oscar fought Kamau but sandwiched inbetween big fights.. Oscar usually fought one big fight a year, maybe 2.. Lennox had one every 12-14 months.. Roy went 9 years vs guys severely overmatched


But anyways,, I'm going to bed.. Have a good night sir Joseph, I shall continue tomorrow

[IronDanHamza]

I'm just using it as an example... Roy fought a fringe contender instead of a champion.. He decided to be on Jesse ferguesons undercard instead of headling vs John David, g-man,
Hard to give a guy a lot of credit for winning a vacate title vs a fringe contender and then never defending vs anyone of note

Who did Reggie and del Valle beat to become champs?



Anyways... I'm done for the night.. I will resume educating everyone on Roy's lack of depth on his resume tomorrow..
Everyone have a good night

And your example is terrible.

You're saying he should have fought the "Champions" like Jackson then in the very same post dismiss "Champions" like Del Valle and Johnson.

So what would be the point in beating Jackson? You would just say "who did he beat" like you are for Johnson and the other champs Jones beat.

Educating Yeah, educating on how "Prime Akinwande" and "Prime McCall" are "major fights" whereas Roy's one round of blitz of Montell Griffin was "coasting".

[Sugar Adam Ali]

But wait, Woods lost everytime he stepped up.

So what did Ray Mercer do?

Mercer is no better than Woods.

It's the fact you include those names like they're good wins, hilariously described as "major" fights then dismiss Jones opposition that's better, or at worst the same level.

Castro, Sosa and Malinga are as good as some of the guys on your list for Lewis, and they didn't make my list for Jones.

The "weaker ones" Jones' are better.

The "stronger ones" Jones are better.

Lewis has barely any wins better than Griffin or Tarver let alone Hopkins and Toney.

Mercer is way better than woods... Ask tommy Morrison, evander, and lennox..

Mercer is vastly better than woods

Goodnight

[IronDanHamza]

Mercer is way better than woods... Ask tommy Morrison, evander, and lennox..

Mercer is vastly better than woods

Goodnight

Mercer lost almost every time he stepped up.

Same thing you're saying for Woods.

Almost everyone you listed for Lewis lost everytime they stepped up. Some lost when they didn't step up.