Re-examining Robinson?

[The Old LefHook]

Other than reporting on the contest Fleischer was sounding a warning to Robinson that if he continued in the same manner eventually it might end badly - his winning streak might get snapped.

Or even his neck snapped.

[The Old LefHook]

Yes, Robinson was in dire need of Fleshy ear's boxing advice.

[The Old LefHook]

It would be interesting to know the exact number of black fighters Robby faced as a pro. I count Basora and Gavilan as black. Then there was Tiger Jones. Somehow, I feel Jackie Wilson was black, maybe because the singer was.

You guys have to know more than this.

Was Robinson an honorary white man?

The principal of my grade school was an honorary white man. His education and his demeanor were so advanced our hillybilly parents knew they were lucky.

Early Louis did not face many black fighters, either, did he? There must have been a heavyweight Murderer's Row of black fighters for his handlers to carefully avoid. I have to think such a diaspora existed, despite Johnson having made it hard for black fighters to get anywhere, especially the heavyweights.

Hey, we will take a few, that's all, the two greatest of their "race," and coddle and groom them for citizenship as white men. In every photo op they were surrounded by smiling, elderly white men in business suits, who handed them an award and told them they were awfully good n*g*ers for supporting this or that charitable cause, substituting honorary white men, then accepted a pledge for their whole next purse.

Looked at this way, Robinson avoided his black Murderer's Row because it was not proper for whites to asscociate (be in the ring) with blacks too much. What if you lost your title to a black, did you ever think of that? People would lable you a traitor to your race.

Robinson was not as pliable as Louis in this repect. Joe was a perfect "good n*g*er," but Robinson was wont to balk at control sometimes, he wanted to do things his way. He was a difficult negotiator of fight contracts. Joe just wanted to know when he was supposed to fight.

When Robinson found out that blacks were not allowed to attend an exhibition he and Louis were scheduled to give in the army, it was he who complained to Louis and refused to fight. The chain of command went from Robinson to Louis, who relayed the issue to commanders. Som'bitzen is no white man, he's been acting like one for the benefits.

[The Old LefHook]

Well, well, well. Here is an example of Robinson doing some showboating all right Check out round ten of this three round clip. Notice also the boos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAk3Q0Tie08

[The Old LefHook]

What an archivist you are, lad. I had no idea Tommy Bell was black. It is good to see all those names. That ought to dispel the notion that whites are afraid of blacks.

You are wrong on both counts. Louis was presented as docile and simple to minimize resistance to a black heavyweight champion yet he never lost his racial identity and neither did Robinson.

Robby and Louis were not fooled. They figured they were both black men, but had no proof. The best way to prove that is to see if white men get mad when you date one of their sisters.

I said they were both honorary white men, I didn't say they thought so. If I do not make such statements, who will tell me if Bob Arum is black. He is, isn't he? I have eyes but I would like to know for sure.

I try to see history from as many angles as possible. Arum is black, now there's a valid angle of investigation.

Who did Robinson avoid in his black Murderer's Row?

Who could he have fought and did not? Avoidance is not always a sin. Klit should avoid Briggs no matter how much noise the one time negro makes. Wait, he still is black, isn't he?

[Thread Stealer]

This is an excellent breakdown of Robinson and his style/skills.

http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/...r-ray-robinson

[The Old LefHook]

This is an excellent breakdown of Robinson and his style/skills.

http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/...r-ray-robinson

Alexander Pope said: A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

After reading this article we know why he said it.

[ShoulderRoll]

This is an excellent breakdown of Robinson and his style/skills.

http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/...r-ray-robinson

I liked the description of his knockout of Gene Fullmer. Makes me see it in a new light...it wasn't just a perfect left hook, it was a perfect left hook set up by a sequence of right hands to the body followed by a right hand feint to the body.

Amazing.

[-CANE-]

Great thread, thanks guys. Not often I come here and learn something new and interesting.

[IMDAZED]

Some great efforts in this thread.

I second that. Feel like I'm in a class right now.