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Roy Jones jr., along with Sugar Ray Leonard, were the 2 best p4p fighters I think I ever seen. But Roy could not compete on equal terms with any true world-class heavyweight. A prime Tyson, or Holyfield, or Lewis would have been too large an obstacle for the slender Jones.
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Ruiz was better than the likes of belt holders like Maskaev, Ibragimov and Valuev etc. I don't think we should discredit Jones just because he didn't beat an undefeated Larry Holmes for the belt, not that we should make more of than it was either. But if what Jones did was so easy we would have seen a lot more guys who started their career at junior middleweight go all the way up and win a heavyweight belt.Originally posted by billeau2 View PostComment
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Chris Byrd is the only guy I can think of in recent times.Originally posted by BKM-2010 View PostComment
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Like i said... even more impressive that he went BACK DOWN to 175 and regained his crown after moving up.Originally posted by billeau2 View Post
Ruiz isn't that good but he was a solid heavyweight. To put on 20 lbs of muscle and beat a beltholder at heavyweight, then cut that off in the space of a few months to defeat the number 1 175lber straight away is impressive. That was my point.Comment
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I wouldn't discredit him on the grounds you state and I do think Ruiz was better than Valuev....about as good as maskaev. I think we agree in most points here. My critiscism is more along the lines of Roy being a smart young man with at least average reasoning abilities sees Ruiz and realizes....the guy is a heavyweight but is too slow to catch me, has no ability to deal with my speed, has no footwork and does not have a really strong punch. At that point Roy piercieves Ruiz as what he was: a mark. There was no way that Ruiz could touch Roy up and he knew it. And its not about better or worse, its about styles and the fact that anyone with any sense could see Ruiz would never catch Roy. It was a cherry pick indeed.Originally posted by BKM-2010 View PostComment
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I really find it amusing and ironic that people think Roy accomplished something beating a mentally disorganized, mediocre heavyweight. And whoptee do he took the weight off again....So what? Am I missing something? Ruiz and company was the start of the sombulent era of untalented heavies where guys like Toney went up and started to beat on the heavies. Frankly Roy could have feasted for a while on heavies if he really had his heart in it. I could see him hiding in Valuev's pant leg waiting to unleash.... Seriously beating Ruiz was not a very high bar.Comment
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pretty much agree with you. ruiz was the perfect style at heavyweight for jonesOriginally posted by billeau2 View PostComment
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ibragimov would have made ruiz look terrible with his hand speed and won an easy decision. I think him and maskeav would have been a 50/50 fight. ruiz couldnt beat guys with good hand speed and technique. he won some descent fights with his awckwardness and smothering style but it was so ugly. I consider ruiz one of the weakest champs in history. I still give roy some credit tho as he was giving up so much natural weight but ruiz was the perfect fight for him at heavyweightOriginally posted by BKM-2010 View PostComment
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With all due respect Ibragimov was terrible. He beat nobody but a couple of ancient men. He went the distance with a middle aged Holyfield while Ruiz beat and almost knocked out a Holyfield who was 7 years younger. And that display against Wlad was imo the worst HW title fight ever though that was not only his fault.Originally posted by beez721 View Post
Ruiz also beat Rahman, Golota, Oquendo and Johnson. No I definitely think Ruiz get discredited due to his style. His results speak for themselves, he was one of the better title holders of the 00s to present(which again, I'm not gonna act like is amazing either).Comment
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